Please help! Texas Gun Laws must be changed! Joe Horn.

#1
Please help! Texas Gun Laws must be changed!


To apply in the UK.


Texas man has become a hero after he took it upon himself to shoot and kill two burglars who had broken into his neighbour's house.

Joe Horn called the police to report the burglary and then stepped outside and shot the burglars dead as they left the neighbour's house.
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"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded.

"You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered.

"I'm going to kill them."

Admirers, including several of his neighbours, say Mr Horn is a hero for killing the burglars, protecting his neighbourhood and sending a message to would-be criminals. Critics (Islamic/Commie fcuks) call him a loose cannon. His attorney says Mr Horn just feared for his life.

Prosecuting Mr Horn could prove difficult in Texas, where few people sympathise with criminals and many have an almost religious belief in the right to self-defence.

The case could test the state's self-defence laws, which allow people to use deadly force in certain situations to protect themselves, their property and their neighbours' property.

Horn was home in Pasadena, about 15 miles southeast of Houston, on Nov 14 when he heard glass breaking, said his attorney, Tom Lambright.

He looked out the window and saw 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and 30-year-old Diego Ortiz using a crowbar to break out the rest of the glass.

He grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun and called 911, the police emergency number, Lambright said. "Uh, I've got a shotgun," he told the dispatcher.

"Uh, do you want me to stop them?"

"Nope, don't do that," the dispatcher responded.

"Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?"

Horn and the dispatcher spoke for several minutes, during which Mr Horn pleaded with the dispatcher to send someone to catch the men and vowed not to let them escape.

Over and over, the dispatcher told him to stay inside.

Horn repeatedly said he couldn't.

When the men crawled back out the window carrying a bag, Mr Horn began to sound increasingly frantic.

"Well, here it goes, buddy," Mr Horn said as a shell clicked into the chamber.

"You hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going."

A few seconds passed.

"Move," Horn can be heard saying on the tape. "You're dead."

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Mr Horn redialed 911 and told the dispatcher what he'd done. "I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."

Mr Lambright said Mr Horn had intended to take a look around when he left his house and instead came face to face with the burglars, standing 10 to 12 feet from him in his yard.

Mr Horn is heavyset and middle-aged and would have been no match in a physical confrontation with the two men, who were young and strong, Lambright said.

So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Mr Horn fired in self-defence, he said.

Family members of the two shooting victims have made few public statements.

Diamond Morgan, Ortiz's widow, who has an 8-month-old son with him, told Houston television station KTRK that she was stunned by Horn's statements on the 911 tape.

"It's horrible," she said. "He was so eager, so eager to shoot."

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed.

In some cases, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbours' property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbour to watch over his property while he's out of town.

At issue is whether it was reasonable for Mr Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred C. Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.
Joe Horn, way to go mate! Knowing you lived at one end of my street would mean that I would never expect bother from that end.
 
#2
Bit like Tony Martin, isn't it?
 
#3
Prosecuting Mr Horn could prove difficult in Texas, where few people sympathise with criminals and many have an almost religious belief in the right to self-defence.
Eureka! Thats it, the perfect way.

Self defence as a religion.

Just think of what you could get away with, some scrote tries to have a go at you so you lop his head off with your sacred axe.

Plod can't touch you as it is part of your religous and cultural heritage.

Got to be worth a try.
 
#5
happybonzo said:
Bit like Tony Martin, isn't it?
no - Tony Martin shot the lad in the back as he ran away. He was presumably at the end of his tether as the scumbags had been plaguing him for ages. It is similar in that the police do not appear to have answered emergency calls quickly
 
#7
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in side?

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?
 
#8
armchair_jihad said:
Please help! Texas Gun Laws must be changed!


To apply in the UK.


Texas man has become a hero after he took it upon himself to shoot and kill two burglars who had broken into his neighbour's house.

Joe Horn called the police to report the burglary and then stepped outside and shot the burglars dead as they left the neighbour's house.
advertisement

"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded.

"You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered.

"I'm going to kill them."

Admirers, including several of his neighbours, say Mr Horn is a hero for killing the burglars, protecting his neighbourhood and sending a message to would-be criminals. Critics (Islamic/Commie fcuks) call him a loose cannon. His attorney says Mr Horn just feared for his life.

Prosecuting Mr Horn could prove difficult in Texas, where few people sympathise with criminals and many have an almost religious belief in the right to self-defence.

The case could test the state's self-defence laws, which allow people to use deadly force in certain situations to protect themselves, their property and their neighbours' property.

Horn was home in Pasadena, about 15 miles southeast of Houston, on Nov 14 when he heard glass breaking, said his attorney, Tom Lambright.

He looked out the window and saw 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and 30-year-old Diego Ortiz using a crowbar to break out the rest of the glass.

He grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun and called 911, the police emergency number, Lambright said. "Uh, I've got a shotgun," he told the dispatcher.

"Uh, do you want me to stop them?"

"Nope, don't do that," the dispatcher responded.

"Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?"

Horn and the dispatcher spoke for several minutes, during which Mr Horn pleaded with the dispatcher to send someone to catch the men and vowed not to let them escape.

Over and over, the dispatcher told him to stay inside.

Horn repeatedly said he couldn't.

When the men crawled back out the window carrying a bag, Mr Horn began to sound increasingly frantic.

"Well, here it goes, buddy," Mr Horn said as a shell clicked into the chamber.

"You hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going."

A few seconds passed.

"Move," Horn can be heard saying on the tape. "You're dead."

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Mr Horn redialed 911 and told the dispatcher what he'd done. "I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."

Mr Lambright said Mr Horn had intended to take a look around when he left his house and instead came face to face with the burglars, standing 10 to 12 feet from him in his yard.

Mr Horn is heavyset and middle-aged and would have been no match in a physical confrontation with the two men, who were young and strong, Lambright said.

So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Mr Horn fired in self-defence, he said.

Family members of the two shooting victims have made few public statements.

Diamond Morgan, Ortiz's widow, who has an 8-month-old son with him, told Houston television station KTRK that she was stunned by Horn's statements on the 911 tape.

"It's horrible," she said. "He was so eager, so eager to shoot."

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed.

In some cases, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbours' property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbour to watch over his property while he's out of town.

At issue is whether it was reasonable for Mr Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred C. Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.
Joe Horn, way to go mate! Knowing you lived at one end of my street would mean that I would never expect bother from that end.
Hounerary ARRSE Membership for that man! He will never have to buy a beer in any bar I'm in!

Fcuking Good Drills! :D :D
 
#9
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in side?

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?


They were scum. That is reason enough.
 

Biped

LE
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#10
Good on the old buffer. We need to shoot more burglars, drug dealers and scumbags.

We need a national day of it, where anyone, who knows anyone, or see anyone being a scumbag, can go and kill them.

Let's put it to a vote - I know, the Number 10 petition website . . .

Edited to add: I think the commie, liberal, tree-hugging c0cksuckers call it "Reclaim the Streets" or something.
 
#11
Well he most certainly ensured they will never commit another crime , nor will the cost the tax payer a fortune keeping them in Jail. Reckon he'd make a great prime minister over here
 
#12
FrankCastle said:
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in side?

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?


They were scum. That is reason enough.
Fair point, I'd overlooked that...
 
#13
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in sid

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?
The first question you should be asking when making such statements should be:

Did he know they were (presumably) hispanic before going out?The evidence would suggest not.

As for the rest,shooting people in the legs with a shotgun ect may look good on film,doesnt really work for real though.Also it has to be remebered that every man and his dog is tooled up in spamland,crims in particular.At the end of the day its very easy to second guess people in those situations from the comfort of home,its a little different when you are there.Now what is that reminding me of?
 
#14
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in sid

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?
The first question you should be asking when making such statements should be:

Did he know they were (presumably) hispanic before going out?The evidence would suggest not.
Well in their TV picies they're both as black as the ace of spades - I presume they were shot in the chest moving towards him or a
cross his front and not in the back running away from him.

Either way, they didn't need to die, he didn't need to kill them. It was murder plain and simple.
 
#15
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in sid

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?
The first question you should be asking when making such statements should be:

Did he know they were (presumably) hispanic before going out?The evidence would suggest not.
Well in their TV picies they're both as black as the ace of spades - I presume they were shot in the chest moving towards him or a
cross his front and not in the back running away from him.

Either way, they didn't need to die, he didn't need to kill them. It was murder plain and simple.
You are correct,they didnt need to die,if they didnt break into some persons house trying to rob them blind the whole chain of events wouldnt of even started..no?A couple of crims get the good news when caught red handed and they are the victims?What would of happened if the family of the house had been at home?A couple less scrotes in the world is a good day for the gene pool in my book,and I second what has been said already and would buy the man a beer or three.
 
#16
Airfix said:
Well in their TV picies they're both as black as the ace of spades - I presume they were shot in the chest moving towards him or a
cross his front and not in the back running away from him.

Either way, they didn't need to die, he didn't need to kill them. It was murder plain and simple.
I cant see any evidence whatsoever for this being a race based shooting, there simply isn't any reason to believe their fate would have been any different whatever the colour of their skin.
As for being murder, it seems it may have been perfectly legal under Texas Law (i'm no expert! but it seems he was legally entitled to shoot) and therefor not murder.
 
#17
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in sid

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?
The first question you should be asking when making such statements should be:

Did he know they were (presumably) hispanic before going out?The evidence would suggest not.
Well in their TV picies they're both as black as the ace of spades - I presume they were shot in the chest moving towards him or a
cross his front and not in the back running away from him.

Either way, they didn't need to die, he didn't need to kill them. It was murder plain and simple.
Wrong, as always :roll:

They were subhuman scum who, instead of working for a living, decided to rob those who had contributed to society. I don't care about their famlies; any slut who would open her legs for scum like that does'nt deserve sympathy. Any kids they might have are better off without them.

Let me be clear: I don't give a FCUK what race, colour or creed the departed were. Scum is scum, black or white, rich or poor. Steal, rape or murder and you lose all right to exist, IMHO. :x

What Joe did was not murder, anymore than I commit murder when I swat a fly.

Thankfully, the majority of Texans have far more commonsense than you(Bush being the exception that proves the rule)and there is little chance of Big Joe being prosecuted. What you think or believe is utterly irrelevent.

But I guess you're used to that! :D
 
#18
I don't believe that being killed while in the process of committing a crime is, or should be, murder.
 
#19
FrankCastle said:
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
insert-coin-here said:
Airfix said:
Would he have shot them if they were white?
What a w@nk comment,I take it that because he is from texas and owns a shotgun that practically makes him klan right?
You tell me, you have the answer already in your mind.

Tell me this:

Did he have to go out?

Was he in mortal danger by staying in sid

Could he have not shouted that he had phoned the police and fired his shotgun in the air through an opened window of his house whilst observing them use a crowbar to break in, thus scaring them off?

Could he have not shot them in the legs?

Was there a need to go out and shot them at all?
The first question you should be asking when making such statements should be:

Did he know they were (presumably) hispanic before going out?The evidence would suggest not.
Well in their TV picies they're both as black as the ace of spades - I presume they were shot in the chest moving towards him or a
cross his front and not in the back running away from him.

Either way, they didn't need to die, he didn't need to kill them. It was murder plain and simple.
Wrong, as always :roll:

They were subhuman scum who, instead of working for a living, decided to rob those who had contributed to society. I don't care about their famlies; any slut who would open her legs for scum like that does'nt deserve sympathy. Any kids they might have are better off without them.

Let me be clear: I don't give a FCUK what race, colour or creed the departed were. Scum is scum, black or white, rich or poor. Steal, rape or murder and you lose all right to exist, IMHO. :x

What Joe did was not murder, anymore than I commit murder when I swat a fly.

Thankfully, the majority of Texans have far more commonsense than you(Bush being the exception that proves the rule)and there is little chance of Big Joe being prosecuted. What you think or believe is utterly irrelevent.

But I guess you're used to that! :D
While your ramblings registered high on the bullsh!t and wishIwasaredneck metre, they didn't cause a flicker on the Igiveafuckaboutyouropinion metre!
 
#20
good drills welldone that man.. and hes saving money for the govenment two less wet backs to claim unemployment.
go texas go,,,great state..uk could learn a few things there...
 

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