I've got a meeting next week with a guy that is either South African or Zimbabwean (sp?) and want to do two things... 1. Find out which he is and 2. Play the "old military card" with him if relevent. We both work in same company and are both in our 40's so I suppose he ould be ex SADF or similar, is there a converstion opener that could manage both 1 and 2 above? Something like "Did you ever use the R4" (ergo military) and "did it have the folding butt" (ergo South African) though I made that last bit up... any ideas? Its not crucial but I keep coming across these guys and don't have a "opener" from which to lead on.... Sales guys eh, who wants em.... For example for Kiwi's and Aussies I use a Rugby question to see where they came in the last world cup and from there can discern the race without having the ask the stupid obvious are you an aussie or kiwi mate question. For military it so rarely occurs but I figure with an African there is a much higher chance they served. Abuse welcome..