Playing the Iranians at their own game?

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  1. From todays Torygraph Kurdish Guerillas in IRAN

    Kurdish guerillas launch clandestine war in Iran
    By Damien McElroy in the Qandil mountains
    Last Updated: 1:54am BST 10/09/2007

    Kurdish guerrillas have launched a clandestine war in north-western Iran, ambushing troops as they seek Western backing to secure an ethnic homeland.

    Kurdish fighters in training. Iran claims that the US is secretly supporting Kurdish attacks upon its infrastructure and troops

    In retaliation, the Iranian army has carried out a series of counter-attacks in the mountains, which span the border with Iraq.

    Murat Karayilan, a Kurdish guerilla commander, told The Daily Telegraph that Teheran had originally tried to recruit the outlawed groups to fight coalition troops in Iraq.

    "The US and Britain came to Iraq to establish a democratic system, but this scared the Iranians, so they negotiated with us and offered many things to attack the coalition," he said under a canopy of trees near his headquarters on Iraqi territory in the Qandil mountains.

    "But we told the Iranians that the US and Britain were going to solve the Kurdish problem and we will be with them."

    Iranian newspapers have reported the deaths of seven soldiers in recent clashes with Kurdish guerrillas. Last month, the rebels claimed responsibility for shooting down an Iranian helicopter.

    A loose alliance of guerrillas, styling itself the Kurdistan Democratic Federation, is fighting for an independent state which would cover the Kurdish-majority areas of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria.

    Mr Karayilan, who is from the PKK guerilla group, said that Iran and Turkey were acting in tandem to repress their Kurdish regions. But, he added, the Kurds have been inspired by the autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq, which has been relatively secure since Saddam Hussein's downfall in 2003.

    "The regional government in Iraqi Kurdistan has increased the national feeling of Kurds everywhere," he said.

    Iran believes that the US and Britain are now arming and training the Kurdish guerrillas to strike its territory from bases inside Iraq.

    Ali Larijani, secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, accused the US of supporting terrorism inside the Islamic Republic.

    "America wants to carry out actions such as blowing up the country's oil pipelines by supporting bandits and small groups of Kurdish rebels," he told the Iranian press.

    In the Qandil mountains, signs of a conflict gathering momentum are easily found.

    US army helicopters are reportedly used to shuttle officers to regular meetings with Kurdish fighters. There is a landing pad complete with spotlights near Mr Karayilan's headquarters, while four-wheel-drive vehicles belonging to a US private security contractor, are easily seen.

    PKK officials say privately that its fighters have left in recent months to join cells inside Iran.

    But Mr Karayilan, an apparently jovial figure who delights in the literal translation of his surname, Black Snake, suggests that the US has so far done too little for the Kurds.

    "We are defending the developments in the region since 2003," he said. "In this we are ready to be on the right side and have the benefits of that.

    "So far we keep our stance apart because American and Britain are not doing enough to help us."

    Meanwhile, artillery shells are reportedly fired into this region almost every day and families have been forced to abandon summer farmsteads.

    "Every day it gets worse," said Abdullah Hamid, 52. "I have crops still in the ground but I can't take it any more."

    Iran has denied responsibility for the shelling. Yet Abdulwahid Gwany, the mayor of nearby Chomin, recalls a telling encounter with his counterpart on the other side of the border.

    "I was showing him some photos on my desk when he saw one of Tony Blair with our Kurdish president. He was so startled he left immediately."

    My bold.

    Aside from a united Kurdistan having lumps of Turkey in it being a non-starter, is this an ideal example of the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

    Is that where Dinger, Lofty and the other MIB are at the mo? Creeping around in the north of Iran planting exploding dog-poo and weeing into the barracks water-tank?

    Seriously though, after all the furore about Iranian kit and training being employed to sadly devestating effect in Iraq and now Afghanistan, I'm in two minds. On one hand, tit-for-tat acts and accusations of supporting 'terrorism' can do nothing to promote the cause of peace. On the other, I would happily see asymmetric principals being applied against the Iranian b'stards that are applying them to our lads lasses.

    Coincidence that this is being raised along with General Petrolstations' report on how well the septics are spending all that cash?

    Ah, but the PKK are freedomfighters, not terrorists. That's ok then.
  2. ...not to mention the fact that we are not going to solve the Kurds' problem (NOT the same as the Kurdish Problem); we've dumped them in the sh1t before as Turkey is far more important; the no-fly zones didn't help them that much; and whether it works out or not in poractice, an ethnically-and-religiously homogeneous Kurdish state is not what the policy dictates.

    If this article is true, I'm glad they're getting some help as they're one of history's most shat-upon peoples. That said, I fear they may just be being used once again.

    Hurrumph. Back to my organic yogurt....
  3. Quite right! Not like we get any trouble with a nice bunch like the Kurds round here ?

    I'm sure we will find one of the Foreign Secretary's cohorts chattering with them on youtube.... you simply must come round for supper!

    They are such great Pals of Mr Bush, I can't see any problems looming there at all.........................

    Nice idea, in theory. However, Jundullah seem to have significant overlap with AQ in Pakistan, and a tendency to film themselves giving captured conscripts overly-close shaves...
  5. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Why is it so wrong for the Kurds to want a homeland? The poor buggers are split across a whole bunch of borders and repressed in every single country in which they live. Yes, I know we drew the borders, but times have moved on.

    The Iranians are sponsoring terrorism across the ME and have been directly responsible for destabilising Iraq, for hindering rebuilding work in Iraq and are directly responsible also for a large number of US and British deaths.

    I'm 100% for Britain and the US sponsoring and arming as much as we possibly can the Kurdish seperatists in their fight against the Iranian gobment. As you sow, shall ye reap. Unlike Iran, the West can do a MUCH better job of training and arming insurgent forces. Iran has asked for this, and it's a damn site cheaper to do things this way than invade Iran ourselves. fcuk them.
  6. I think that's the point... imagine OBL grinning and sitting on a pig bile of Stingers in a cave somewhere...

    The Kurds aren't, I think, a future risk for us, but the Baluchis could well be. We could easily make large parts of Iran no-go areas for their own troops (IRC only about 1/2 the country is ethnic Persian?), but the potential for blowback should also be considered.
  7. Nothing in theory. The problem is -what territory is their homeland and what do they want.?

    Hopefully not what this aged map shows:

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  8. I think you will find that these are the same freedom fighters that we rightly call terrorists, when ever we apply support to such named freedom fighters we are only sponsering terrorists!

    All that happens is they will eventually turn, against the hand that feeds them, look at the Pakistani IS and AQ linkage to see that its a crap idea.

    edited for typo
  9. Last time the CIA were most definatly not giving arms and aid to a group of freedom fighters battleing the great Soviet threat they turned in to the Talaban (that or there abouts). Arming loads of really pished off folk is never a good thing. More guns never solve a problem.

    If they are fighting for a homeland there are more peacfull ways, they just take longer and aren't as ally looking.
  10. Pity the powers that be never paid any attention to Lawrence's recommendations.
  11. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    Probably because the thick arrogant fcukers don't read history.
  12. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    That's quite a lot of land they'll be wanting then. Yes, it's true that arming and training insurgents has an historicaly proven habit of biting the trainer on the arrse, but what else to do with Iran?

    Yes, you could say that the US and Pakistan created the Taliban, but before that, the mujahideen were very succesful in giving the Russians a bl00dy nose.

    Iran is a state sponsor of terror, and without actually invading, we should consider it important to give them the smack in the face that they so rightly deserve, and what better way than in the manner they are currently attacking our troops and the people of Iraq?

    Perhaps if not by arming and training anti-Iranian insurgents, then let's get some bombs dropped and infrastructure flattened. To my mind, Iran is engaged in a full-on proxy war with the West, but for no casualties or come-back. That's got to be a first in history (or a second after US/mujahideen).

    Soviet support for Vietnam did no harm to Russia after all.