Place in EU to cost UK 60% more

#41
Oil_Slick said:
parapauk said:
jagman said:
parapauk said:
I think most of the 'ungrateful bastewards' in question are the ones we sold out to the Soviet Union for 44 years in order to have a quiet life.
Meaning?
Are you suggesting that we are duty bound to fund the modernisation of Eastern Europe because we didn't go to war with Stalin in 1945?
No, but it's worth keeping in mind that certain promises were broken and certain peoples were condemned for our own convenience. What happened to them wasn't ultimatly our fault but we should keep in mind that it wasn't their fault either. We lucked out post war as we happened to be on the right side of the iron curtain, and I don't see why we shouldn't help these who weren't so lucky.

And what did you propose we did in 1945 you thick t**t, roll east against the Russian Army that was at the peak of it's fighting power and was 10 times our size?

And couldn't keep its army going without vast quantities of western help. Who's lines of communication were so much longer than ours.
 
#42
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
 
#43
terroratthepicnic said:
If we pulled out of europe, the UK would probably be far better off. We could sit back and watch Europe collapse because none of them want to work. Then when it does, we step back in as leaders of Europe, our rules, that benefit us.

For those that think pulling out of Europe would be bad for the country, just look at how many countries around the world are not in Europe, and doing well.

On a simular vain, just before the Athens Olympics, the EU gave Greece shed loads of money (other nations gave extra, UK included). When can London expect a simular payout to help build the Olympic sites?
You should be on the stage with comedy like this. Germans not prepared to work :roll:
 
#44
Whet said:
Oil_Slick said:
parapauk said:
jagman said:
parapauk said:
I think most of the 'ungrateful bastewards' in question are the ones we sold out to the Soviet Union for 44 years in order to have a quiet life.
Meaning?
Are you suggesting that we are duty bound to fund the modernisation of Eastern Europe because we didn't go to war with Stalin in 1945?
No, but it's worth keeping in mind that certain promises were broken and certain peoples were condemned for our own convenience. What happened to them wasn't ultimatly our fault but we should keep in mind that it wasn't their fault either. We lucked out post war as we happened to be on the right side of the iron curtain, and I don't see why we shouldn't help these who weren't so lucky.

And what did you propose we did in 1945 you thick t**t, roll east against the Russian Army that was at the peak of it's fighting power and was 10 times our size?

And couldn't keep its army going without vast quantities of western help. Who's lines of communication were so much longer than ours.


Woohooo!!!! Whets here!


Got a job yet doley?


Now, my little Social Justice Warrior, here's a thing.

Being as how the Russians had a ferking big logistics tail behind them, at least a months long, and being as how they could have pushed us right back into the Channel in a week or two, what precisely has the supplies from the West got to do with anything?

Something for you to consider, the backbone of both the US and UK armies in May 1945 was the crappy 75mm gunned Sherman, the Russians had thousands of 85mm gunned T34's and they were crewed by combat veterans that had just wiped the floor with 85% of Germanies combat strength and it's best troops.
 
#45
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
Did you know that we got almost as much money as the Germans under the Marshall Plan. Just think if the yanks had said the same as you - why should they have paid us, kept us afloat when they needed the money back home.

To answer the question. The US (and now the EU) supplied money to smaller countries to build up their economies. Then they can buy all those expensive goods the EU produces.
 
#46
Whet said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
Did you know that we got almost as much money as the Germans under the Marshall Plan. Just think if the yanks had said the same as you - why should they have paid us, kept us afloat when they needed the money back home.

To answer the question. The US (and now the EU) supplied money to smaller countries to build up their economies. Then they can buy all those expensive goods the EU produces.

Here's a thing Whet, we paid back every penny of Lend-Lease Aid the US sent us in WWII.

Will you pay back even a penny of the Aid we give you doley?
 
#47
Whet said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
Did you know that we got almost as much money as the Germans under the Marshall Plan. Just think if the yanks had said the same as you - why should they have paid us, kept us afloat when they needed the money back home.

To answer the question. The US (and now the EU) supplied money to smaller countries to build up their economies. Then they can buy all those expensive goods the EU produces.
What goods, production in the UK ???
We are a service based industry now, we produce nothing in comparison to yesteryear.

VH
 
#48
terroratthepicnic said:
If we pulled out of europe, the UK would probably be far better off. We could sit back and watch Europe collapse because none of them want to work. Then when it does, we step back in as leaders of Europe, our rules, that benefit us.

For those that think pulling out of Europe would be bad for the country, just look at how many countries around the world are not in Europe, and doing well.

On a simular vain, just before the Athens Olympics, the EU gave Greece shed loads of money (other nations gave extra, UK included). When can London expect a simular payout to help build the Olympic sites?
* News
* UK news
* Olympic games 2012

Olympic 2012 village seeks £225m bailout from European Investment Bank

* Buzz up!
* Digg it

* Tim Webb
* The Guardian, Friday 10 April 2009
* Article history

Olympic planners have been forced to seek public sector support to bail out a £1bn athletes' village project in east London, after a collapse in interest from private investors.

The European Investment Bank, set up as a development arm of the European Union, has approved a request for a £225m loan toward the scheme - which may yet require another £400m in direct government support unless financial conditions improve.

The government had hoped that the private sector would raise the bulk of the £1bn needed to build the Olympic Village, made up of about 3,000 athletes flats in Stratford. But funding has dried up in the wake of the credit crunch and collapse in property values. About half the flats will be converted into social housing after the games.

Hugh Robertson, shadow minister for sport and the Olympics, said: "The fact that the government has asked to take funding from the EIB shows a complete lack of private sector take-up, which is deeply worrying. This is the final nail in the coffin for any immediate private sector financing. The government is desperate to prevent this from becoming a wholly public-sector project."
Grudian website
 
#49
Oil_Slick said:
TopBadger said:
Okay... so we're paying £2bn more... question is, how much money would the UK lose if we pulled out of Europe?

Simple cost/benefit analysis required... i doubt i'll see one though.

Common myth peddalled by the Europhiles is that if we pull out of teh EU we're doomed.

That's utter bllo0x!

Norway and Switzerland just decided to negotiate special arrangements on trade, stayed out of all the EU politiical bullshite and prospered. We could have done the same.
Sweet, Switzerland and Norway have to adopt EU regs on various things with no input and they pay into the budget while getting nothing back.....can we expect the UK's cheques to contine arriving at the usual time after you "leave" :p
 
#50
jagman said:
Never mind the EHRA, bck to the money.

"The Treasury said it was right for the UK "to share the burden of membership with new accession countries"."
That's a misquote there Jagman.

Allow me to correct it.

The Treasury said it was right for the UK "to take on the extra financial burden of membership brought about by the accession of new countries that are poor and need a bunch of our money." They also said "As per Gordon Brown's earlier statement, this government is going to have to make cuts in public spending across many departments due to the recession, except for increasing our EU membership contribution of course, and maybe giving India some more money, and possibly increasing the pay of MPs by 100% of course."
 
#51
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
I'm pretty sure the UK bankrupted itself fighting to remain free itsefl and to stop a single power gaining dominence on the continent as is her policy since before Nepolean stuck his head up, everyone else "freedom" was a secondary concern....and maybe just incidental......sorry for the cynicism :oops:
 
#52
So they are lending us some of our own money back then? Thats like being mugged and the mugger lending you the bus fare home.
 
#53
Whet said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
Did you know that we got almost as much money as the Germans under the Marshall Plan. Just think if the yanks had said the same as you - why should they have paid us, kept us afloat when they needed the money back home.

To answer the question. The US (and now the EU) supplied money to smaller countries to build up their economies. Then they can buy all those expensive goods the EU produces.
I think you need to do some further research Sven.
The UK recieved more thn Germany, however the UK also had Lend-Lease to repay which took until 2006.
You also neglect to mention the conditions attatched to Lend-Lease and the Marshall Plan that broke Britain.

The big financial loser of the 2nd World War was the UK

Regardless, we owe the rest of europe nothing. We cannot afford to pour money into europe.
We re supposed to have been given a referendum on the whole EU issue. The electorte should be given the right to decide, just as promissed.
 
#54
jagman said:
Whet said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
Did you know that we got almost as much money as the Germans under the Marshall Plan. Just think if the yanks had said the same as you - why should they have paid us, kept us afloat when they needed the money back home.

To answer the question. The US (and now the EU) supplied money to smaller countries to build up their economies. Then they can buy all those expensive goods the EU produces.
I think you need to do some further research Sven.
The UK recieved more thn Germany, however the UK also had Lend-Lease to repay which took until 2006.
You also neglect to mention the conditions attatched to Lend-Lease and the Marshall Plan that broke Britain.

The big financial loser of the 2nd World War was the UK

Regardless, we owe the rest of europe nothing. We cannot afford to pour money into europe.
We re supposed to have been given a referendum on the whole EU issue. The electorte should be given the right to decide, just as promissed.
The Lib Dems are offering a referendum on whether to stay in the EU or not.

Vote Lib Dem.
 
#55
petergriffen said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
I'm pretty sure the UK bankrupted itself fighting to remain free itsefl and to stop a single power gaining dominence on the continent as is her policy since before Nepolean stuck his head up, everyone else "freedom" was a secondary concern....and maybe just incidental......sorry for the cynicism :oops:
Actually, Hitler was an admirer of the Empire and actually wished an alliance with UK against the Bolshevik menace.

Having seen where victory has led us we would probably have been better off taking his offer.

As it was, Churchill stood up to the bullying tyranny of the 3rd Reich, only for our current crop of politicans to surrender to the EU Reich.
 
#56
The_Coming_Man said:
So they are lending us some of our own money back then? Thats like being mugged and the mugger lending you the bus fare home.
Technically they are most likely lending you Saudi Arabian and Chinese money :) ....oh and maybe some boxhead cash....and I think I personally have a few cent in there so I own a pebble in the Olympic villiage. 8)
 
#57
petergriffen said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
I'm pretty sure the UK bankrupted itself fighting to remain free itsefl and to stop a single power gaining dominence on the continent as is her policy since before Nepolean stuck his head up, everyone else "freedom" was a secondary concern....and maybe just incidental......sorry for the cynicism :oops:
Actually, Hitler was an admirer of the Empire and actually wished an alliance with UK against the Bolshevik menace.

Having seen where victory has led us we would probably have been better off taking his offer.

As it was, Churchill stood up to the bullying tyranny of the 3rd Reich, only for our current crop of politicans to surrender to the EU Reich.
 
#58
Without any propaganda from either side - what do we get out of our membership of the EU? What are the actual benefits that the man in the street sees from being a member?

Do we get £6bn worth of trade or handouts or anything from what we put in?
 
#59
petergriffen said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
I'm pretty sure the UK bankrupted itself fighting to remain free itsefl and to stop a single power gaining dominence on the continent as is her policy since before Nepolean stuck his head up, everyone else "freedom" was a secondary concern....and maybe just incidental......sorry for the cynicism :oops:
You need to step back and do some further research too.
By all means be cynical but be accurate with it if you wouldn't mind.
How many Britons died in the defence of France? Belgium? Norway? The list of places and the aount of dead is pretty long.
 
#60
The_Coming_Man said:
petergriffen said:
The_Coming_Man said:
We bankrupted our country liberating Europe and now we are being bankrupted again while our country is enslaved by Europe.
I'm pretty sure the UK bankrupted itself fighting to remain free itsefl and to stop a single power gaining dominence on the continent as is her policy since before Nepolean stuck his head up, everyone else "freedom" was a secondary concern....and maybe just incidental......sorry for the cynicism :oops:
Actually, Hitler was an admirer of the Empire and actually wished an alliance with UK against the Bolshevik menace.

Having seen where victory has led us we would probably have been better off taking his offer.

As it was, Churchill stood up to the bullying tyranny of the 3rd Reich, only for our current crop of politicans to surrender to the EU Reich.
Yes, but then Hitler was never playing with a full deck, it still doesn't detract from what the UK's policy has been all these years, "no single dominating power on the continent" It's the same reason the joined the EEC back in the Day, partially there was the idea that the Frog/Krauts/Wops/cloggies ect would never work closely enough to achieve anything, and that the whole thing was 5 minutes away from collapsing.
Well 10 years past it didn't, 12, eventually the UK joining (after De Gaule backing off) they hoped to throw a monkey wrench into it get all the continentals at each others throat.....30+ years later they still haven't seperated the Germans and the French like they wanted.
It's basically that episode of Yes minister where Sir Humphrey explained why the UK joined, which was pretty close to the thruth.
 

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