PJNCO Cadre

RP578

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#3
It's all here: 303SMLE's blow by blow account of TA Infantry PJNCO cadre

Be advised Infantry PJNCO is by no means an attendance course. You WILL have to demonstrate leadership and command potential. You WILL be pushed mentally and physically. I can't emphasise that last enough, start training! Many guys who are decent Rfn, just don't make the grade at PJNCO as they just lack the 'stuff' to lead a fire team.
 
#4
Did mine in 2006. Was shocked at the level (lack of) of fitness and awareness of the blokes that some units sent there.
Some of the blokes who turned up had got a tour under their belt in somwhere like Shaibiza stagging on and forgotten most of their key infantry skills. These guys were not chuntering but honestly surprised that the staff were being mean. Only 4 of us passed.
Remember they will test you mentally and physically. Your admin has to be squared away big time.

Just remember it only lasts 2 weeks so HTFU and get on with it.
 
#5
I beleive they have stopped running PJNCO cadres up at Catterick now. I may be wrong however. Can someone put me right?

My unit certainly run in-house courses these days, and they are pump and don't produce people with the skills, experiance and training that they would get up at ITC. Its hard to run through a platoon attack range with only one section, they get very tired doing, assault-suppres-reserve all at once.
 

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#6
bobath_lost_his_account said:
I beleive they have stopped running PJNCO cadres up at Catterick now. I may be wrong however. Can someone put me right?
ITC (Catterick) still runs TA PJNCO cadres. there is one this October and in November.
 
#7
TBGB said:
Did mine in 2006. Was shocked at the level (lack of) of fitness and awareness of the blokes that some units sent there.
Some of the blokes who turned up had got a tour under their belt in somwhere like Shaibiza stagging on and forgotten most of their key infantry skills. These guys were not chuntering but honestly surprised that the staff were being mean. Only 4 of us passed.
Remember they will test you mentally and physically. Your admin has to be squared away big time.

Just remember it only lasts 2 weeks so HTFU and get on with it.

TBGB - who ran your course? was it the Woofers?
 
#8
3secondwonder said:
TBGB said:
Did mine in 2006. Was shocked at the level (lack of) of fitness and awareness of the blokes that some units sent there.
Some of the blokes who turned up had got a tour under their belt in somwhere like Shaibiza stagging on and forgotten most of their key infantry skills. These guys were not chuntering but honestly surprised that the staff were being mean. Only 4 of us passed.
Remember they will test you mentally and physically. Your admin has to be squared away big time.

Just remember it only lasts 2 weeks so HTFU and get on with it.

TBGB - who ran your course? was it the Woofers?
Think he might be I sent 3 guys on one early in 2006 all failed and all were good fit guys with Op experience
 
#9
easesprings said:
3secondwonder said:
TBGB said:
Did mine in 2006. Was shocked at the level (lack of) of fitness and awareness of the blokes that some units sent there.
Some of the blokes who turned up had got a tour under their belt in somwhere like Shaibiza stagging on and forgotten most of their key infantry skills. These guys were not chuntering but honestly surprised that the staff were being mean. Only 4 of us passed.
Remember they will test you mentally and physically. Your admin has to be squared away big time.

Just remember it only lasts 2 weeks so HTFU and get on with it.

TBGB - who ran your course? was it the Woofers?
Think he might be I sent 3 guys on one early in 2006 all failed and all were good fit guys with Op experience
yeah thats the one - 45 of us started 9 of us passed! not sure if they were keen on us being TA - different from junior Brecon 60 people started 60 people passed! great course though
 
#10
on mine is was admin in the field and fitness - though 15 quit at the end of week one because they didnt like the cold and wet! Quite funy to watch - all of us were sitting in cramped corrirdor cleaning rifles after one night in the field. Platoon Sergeant comes out of instructors admin room and asks who wants to jack in the course (think jokingly) and to his surprise 15 lads stood up!
 

RP578

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#11
3secondwonder said:
on mine is was admin in the field and fitness - though 15 quit at the end of week one because they didnt like the cold and wet! Quite funy to watch - all of us were sitting in cramped corrirdor cleaning rifles after one night in the field. Platoon Sergeant comes out of instructors admin room and asks who wants to jack in the course (think jokingly) and to his surprise 15 lads stood up!
You've just got to get to that place in your head where you are mentally resigned to two weeks of being cold, wet, tired and continually beasted. Once you accept that this is your lot for two weeks things become easier to deal with.

It is just two weeks! Keep reminding yourself of that. If you're smart and PFT/CFT fit, you should have a good chance of passing this.

And then when you finally get your stripe ... you can look forward to Junior Brecon! :D
 
#12
RP578 said:
bobath_lost_his_account said:
I beleive they have stopped running PJNCO cadres up at Catterick now. I may be wrong however. Can someone put me right?
ITC (Catterick) still runs TA PJNCO cadres. there is one this October and in November.
Well cover me in eggs and flour, and bake me for 40 minutes! I guess its just my lot being a bunch of idiots then. Good to know the next lot of NCO's we get will be crap. With any luck they'll see sense and send them up there instead.

Thanks for that.
 
#13
I went on the Cadre at ITC in December last year. Unfortunately I injured my ankle on the Assault course so was rtu'd. The course itself isnt all that difficult, you just need to ensure you are clued up on all the basic low level infantry tactics and systems. Know the orders process and also have a good working of Pl level operations.
Some of the blokes that tipped up didnt even know the section battle drills etc!!!!!!

The first week is mainly in camp with a one night exercise so the DS can see your admin and also the CFT. The CFT we did was at a fair old pace though, the pti telling us how we were Potential JNCO's and as such should lead from the front, so be prepared for the last 2 miles to be a bit cheeky. You will also be expected to take charge of a section/fireteam and be assessed on your abilities (command appointments were given for BE/BL's either side of the one night ex. We were supposed to do the steeplechase but for some reason we ended up on the assault course and thats where I did my ankle. The second week is mainly in the field and again the command appointments will be flying around. After the exercise though be prepared to do the CFT again, my cadre were told it was on the programme for retests of those that failed the first one - everyone ended up doing it again.

Overall the DS are pretty chilled out if you use the good old cadre adage of "play the game".

Obviously every course is different but hopefully you can take something from this.
 
#14
3secondwonder said:
on mine is was admin in the field and fitness - though 15 quit at the end of week one because they didnt like the cold and wet! Quite funy to watch - all of us were sitting in cramped corrirdor cleaning rifles after one night in the field. Platoon Sergeant comes out of instructors admin room and asks who wants to jack in the course (think jokingly) and to his surprise 15 lads stood up!
first time I went queue at end of first week to quit was so long thought I'd go back later :D . Convinced myself worst was over I was wrong :D .

October one is binned now its frst two weeks of december .Tears of joy
ran down my face when I found out 8O .Well when endex sounds it will
be like xmas coming early .Bollocks just realised will have to take issuse sleepng bag on the off chance of using it .
 
#15
Gents

One of the strengths of the British Army is the leadership and skills shown at JNCO level. The process of turning a good Rifleman into a recognised leader starts at PJNCO and is continued at Junior Brecon.

Our NCOs are recognised as being amongst the best in the world and to get to be seen as such you need to give 100%.

Its hard fo a reason.
 

RP578

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Book Reviewer
#16
tommyhutch said:
yeah, should be the same standard across the board though, grips my sh!t seeing billies get handed tapes straight out of training. They should get different ranks like the RAF techies, Junior Technician instead of LCpl etc.
'billies'? Who they?- Ed
 
#17
3secondwonder said:
easesprings said:
3secondwonder said:
TBGB said:
Did mine in 2006. Was shocked at the level (lack of) of fitness and awareness of the blokes that some units sent there.
Some of the blokes who turned up had got a tour under their belt in somwhere like Shaibiza stagging on and forgotten most of their key infantry skills. These guys were not chuntering but honestly surprised that the staff were being mean. Only 4 of us passed.
Remember they will test you mentally and physically. Your admin has to be squared away big time.

Just remember it only lasts 2 weeks so HTFU and get on with it.

TBGB - who ran your course? was it the Woofers?
Think he might be I sent 3 guys on one early in 2006 all failed and all were good fit guys with Op experience
yeah thats the one - 45 of us started 9 of us passed! not sure if they were keen on us being TA - different from junior Brecon 60 people started 60 people passed! great course though
Yep that was the one when some welsh twunt tried to stich up our section commander cos he failed. I remember overhearing someones interview with the PC saying "I can't understand why we are getting beasted!" LOL
 
#18
Ahh. Fond memories of my JNCO cadre.

It began on a nice summers Friday evening with "get your heads down because this is going to be a hard weekend". We only managed 12 people on the course. Of which one was a screw, three of us were Lance jacks and the remainder were sprogs straight out of training.

They split us into 2 sections with the screw in one and the three Lance Jacks in the other. We had a half hour lesson on orders (I think it was because the DS didn't know how to do them) and shown a TAM which we weren't allowed to have or use. We all wrote an orders brief for a generic advance to contact with no grid ref which was interesting :D

The three Lance jacks had a go at a command each and then were told that there would be 2 more command appointments and we'd have to volunteer for them. One of the Lance Jacks had bodged his attack and didn't want to play anymore so I took the night recce and the other Lance jack took the deliberate attack in the morning.

We had a lesson on snap ambushes and then the DS swapped over for the practise. It turns out that they hadn't checked with each other and they got a bit miffed when we did it differently to how they'd taught the other section :D . I was then given 40 mins to write and present my orders (for a night CTR FFS). We tabbed out to the grid ref, I dropped half the section and prepared to move in to do the Recce. Then the DS said "er...we've buggered up the timings. You've only got ten minutes here, then you have to head back, so I've got a good place you can look from".

He led us to the wrong side of the wood and, despite my protests that we were in the wrong place, and seemed chuffed as carrots that we could see the enemy (about 50 of them in minibuses).

We had the normal bug out at silly O'clock and then the final attack. Oh how the DS looked silly when our deliberate attack went in on the cadets that were on the opposite side of the wood to the real enemy. :D

We had the usual carry the casualty a few miles (she was a useless slag anyway) and then endex where the CO said all the good things about JNCOs being really important and how we'd worked hard on a difficult weekend.

I've leant more and had a harder time on the commute to work.
 

RP578

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#19
Mate, no disrespect whatsoever to the REME, but the Infantry PJNCO cadre that the original poster inquired about really is a different ball game from your one weekend of fun and frolics.

Still it's good to hear that you enjoyed yourself. :D
 
#20
It was a trog run thing, nothing to do with God's CORPS. I just got spammed to tag along to add a touch of class to the affair.

RP578 said:
Still it's good to hear that you enjoyed yourself. :D
I've had more fun individually plucking out my pubes.
 
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