Pirates fire on nato ship

#1
Today
This morning while conducting routine surveillance off the Somali coast, HNMLS ROTTERDAM the flagship for the NATO ‘OCEAN SHIELD’ counter piracy mission, came under sustained fire from groups of suspected pirates.


A boarding team from Rotterdam was making an approach on a suspect dhow near the coast when they came under fire from ashore and from the dhow itself. Rotterdam returned fire in accordance with Rules of Engagement, during which the dhow was seen to ignite and crew members were observed leaping into the water. One crew member of the dhow was killed in this action and 25 people were subsequently rescued from the water by Rotterdam. Commodore Ben Bekkering, the commander of the NATO Task Force, said that the Rotterdam and her boats remained under sustained fire from the shore throughout, even while attempting to rescue the crew of the stricken dhow and one of Rotterdam’s rigid inflatable boats was damaged.

Those rescued were subsequently transferred to the NATO flagship where those who required it were given prompt medical attention. None of the crew from the ROTTERDAM were injured during this action.
"We know that pirates are increasingly using larger dhows as mother ships. Therefore we routinely inspect them" says Commodore Ben Bekkering, commander of the NATO Task Force. "In this instance the pirates openly choose confrontation. This does not happen often and it indicates that we are indeed impeding their operations and in doing so, pushing them to take more extreme options.”
Commodore Bekkering praised the calm professionalism of the ROTTERDAM crew and stated that this incident together with ROTTERDAM’s successful interdiction of seven pirates on 11 October made two things very clear. “Firstly, it is obvious that the scourge of piracy has not gone away and we need to maintain our vigilance. Secondly, the risks to the pirates themselves are becoming much greater and while we regret any loss of life we will deal with any threat we encounter in a firm, robust but always proportionate manner.”

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#3
Shame it's not Peter.
 
#4
the risks to the pirates themselves are becoming much greater and while we regret any loss of life we will deal with any threat we encounter in a firm, robust but always proportionate manner.”
- thus ensuring that the problem will continue to grow and cause greater pressure on our medical, immigration and prison facillities.

The EU has a lot to answer for.
 

Travelgall

LE
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#5
The Cloggies don't seem to have put enough holes in her. Otherwise well done, carry on.
 
#6
The proper solution is to brass up their boats then when they jump overboard start tossing chum into the water.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
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#7
It shows the problems of attempting armed enfocement using ships not designed for the purpose. In order to provide covering fire support for their boarders the Dutch must have had to close to within 1500m of the dhow to be within range of her 20mm. By the phot that put her well within the range of an HMG from shore.
 

Guns

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#8
That's the Germans your thinking of.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
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#9
That's the Germans your thinking of.
Eh? Rotterdam's only got 20mm and smaller. If she was using those to fire on the dhow she'd have to be within effective range, which from memory (and I'm very aware I talking to a real Gunnery Officer) is sub-1500m. A 14.5mm HMG will, if used correctly, create a beaten zone well beyond 2000m. Or am I being thick?
 

Guns

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#10
Sorry was aimed at the post about shooting people in the water.

But yes it is an issue of lack of reach. When the mighty Bulwark went fishing off Somalia I had to remind the Captain that our extensive long range weapons would be out gunned by any technicals with AA guns. I did want to try out a solution of using the mortar team from the flight deck, they were some issues but nothing that couldn't be sorted.

It is the trade off between a big amphib with great C2 and radar range plus loads of space for steely eyed messengers of death to drive in lots of boats and a FF or DD which can drop heavy shells on the beach.

I think the worry will be when shinny missiles start being fired from the beach. There's lots of money and power at stake and things are not going so well for the pirates at the moment.
 
#11
20mm still gives stand off capability vs 14.5 even allowing for a large beaten zone and a big **** off target for the HMG to aim at? Certainly things along those lines were taught on WD(V) course...

Regardless Guns (and genuine question from a baby GO to a proper grown up one) isn't 4.5 a little bit to be chucking at dhows, and something like the 76mm the Germans or Italians have would be a better 'fit' for the targets?
 
#12
Commodore Ben Bekkering, the commander of the NATO Task Force, said that the Rotterdam and her boats remained under sustained fire from the shore throughout, even while attempting to rescue the crew of the stricken dhow and one of Rotterdam’s rigid inflatable boats was damaged.

Why ?
 
#13
Commodore Ben Bekkering, the commander of the NATO Task Force, said that the Rotterdam and her boats remained under sustained fire from the shore throughout, even while attempting to rescue the crew of the stricken dhow and one of Rotterdam’s rigid inflatable boats was damaged.

Why ?
EXACKERLEY! The first rule is, "don't become a casualty yourself," those cloggies were smoking something!
 

Guns

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#14
20mm still gives stand off capability vs 14.5 even allowing for a large beaten zone and a big **** off target for the HMG to aim at? Certainly things along those lines were taught on WD(V) course...

Regardless Guns (and genuine question from a baby GO to a proper grown up one) isn't 4.5 a little bit to be chucking at dhows, and something like the 76mm the Germans or Italians have would be a better 'fit' for the targets?
Much more fun to go for VT high 5 rounds fire for effect
 
#15
The proper solution is to brass up their boats then when they jump overboard start tossing chum into the water.
You must have reading my mind...

:)

Rodney2q
 
#16
As an enthusiastic reader of Clancy & Bond and occasional dabbler in the art of creating Harpoon scenarios....

How would the Italian Dardo system fair in a similar situation? It would seem to me to be "enough gun" for engaging most small surface vessels/unarmoured vehicles at medium range and if mounted with only internal ammo the weapon itself is a "bolt on".
 

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