PIP Regulations 2013

#3
Well a quick look at it and it seem`s if your on DLA your up shit creek without a paddle, as they have done a proper stitch up job. They havent introduced any of the recommendations that the disability groups asked for.
The only way for us with the old pension to be helped avoid all this shite is to be included in the new scheme for the AFCS05 which covers motability and care which we have more chance of getting a IDSmith telling us all he is a Nazi and hates the spackers and jews.
 
#4
Well a quick look at it and it seem`s if your on DLA your up shit creek without a paddle, as they have done a proper stitch up job. They havent introduced any of the recommendations that the disability groups asked for.
The only way for us with the old pension to be helped avoid all this shite is to be included in the new scheme for the AFCS05 which covers motability and care which we have more chance of getting a IDSmith telling us all he is a Nazi and hates the spackers and jews.
try this online test Personal Independence Payment self-assessment Benefits and Work
 
#7
According to that online assessment I would qualify for PIP but only based on the fact that I use 'an aid or appliance' to walk, cook, bathe and shite in that I wear a prosthesis. But seeing as I got f**ked of at the high port for DLA then don't think I shall bother applying for PIP. Unless of cause I can manage to get myself from 'overweight' to 'morbidly obese' in the next few weeks.
 
#9
Its gonna be a ball ache is all I can say, I reckon someone will take it too court and get there decision overturned too then be shot down by the gov.

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PIP will carry the same right of appeal as does DLA so some of the first people who dont get PIP and appeal will be the ones setting case law as all the appeals to tribunal and upper tribunal that fine tuned DLA over the years and made some problems easier to claim for are all now going in the waste bin, as PIP is awarded on different regulations

I hope that between 2013 and 2015 when the main move starts enough people appeal to sort out some of the more serious issues in the regulations
 
#10
Before you atempt to fill any form in or think about applying for PIP, go and see the Citizens Advice Bureaux (CAB) they will be able to help and put you on the right path.
 
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#11
Well a quick look at it and it seem`s if your on DLA your up shit creek without a paddle, as they have done a proper stitch up job. They havent introduced any of the recommendations that the disability groups asked for.
The only way for us with the old pension to be helped avoid all this shite is to be included in the new scheme for the AFCS05 which covers motability and care which we have more chance of getting a IDSmith telling us all he is a Nazi and hates the spackers and jews.
Ain't necessarily so:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/455/pdfs/uksi_20130455_en.pdf

They introduced the new Statutory Instrument, as I posted above, then on the same day published an amendment to the SI. They have included the safely, repeatedly etc but have not changed the walking distance despite saying they would look at it again!

Just to clarify all the related SI's as published yesterday:

Legislation.gov.uk
 
#12
But most of the paper over rides that with the aids to motability like sticks/frames wheelchairs. If you can move with the use of these aids your mobile. The only way to achive highest rate on the both components is too be a vegetable or have no arms/legs and I noticed they still haven't placed without pain in the descriptions.
They are trying to push it through with as little alterations as possible no matter what groups recommend, they have made all disabled people as spungers who need to toe the line no matter what. Dont matter if your a civvie or veteran.

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#13
luckily the war pensions descriptions havent changed yet then so we can all qualify under that :p
 
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But most of the paper over rides that with the aids to motability like sticks/frames wheelchairs. If you can move with the use of these aids your mobile. The only way to achive highest rate on the both components is too be a vegetable or have no arms/legs and I noticed they still haven't placed without pain in the descriptions.
They are trying to push it through with as little alterations as possible no matter what groups recommend, they have made all disabled people as spungers who need to toe the line no matter what. Dont matter if your a civvie or veteran.

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Can't agree MJ. If you read the amendment (SI 2013 No 455) which adds Safely, to an Acceptable standard, Repeatedly and Within a reasonable time period, then goes on to explain what it means by these terms you can see that aids to mobility cannot over-ride the terms in the amendment.

“(4) In this regulation—


(a) “safely” means in a manner unlikely to cause harm to C or to another person, either during or after completion of the activity;

(b) “repeatedly” means as often as the activity being assessed is reasonably required to be completed; and

(c) “reasonable time period” means no more than twice as long as the maximum period that a person without a physical or mental condition which limits that person’s ability to carry out the activity in question would normally take to complete that activity.”

This may also help:

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-assessment-guide.pdf
 
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#16
High rate care and standard rate mobility.

Currently on middle rate care and high rate mobility.
High Rate Care & High Rate Mobility for me. I'm currently on Low Rate Care & High Rate Mobility. My seeming uplift is down to an additional injury. I haven't applied for re-assessment (too late now anyhoo) as I've been waiting for PIP/AFIP to become a bit clearer and of course for my SPVA battles to be concluded.
 
#17
the draft revisions make it easier to get mobility under pip as theres less exclusions based on prosthetics and a persons ability to use them well,

also the care conditions have a far better asessment criteria and wiht the revisions in the current draft it looks like it will be easier to qualify if your cukoo or if you have a requirement for help with certain things, all in all it seems like the new test will (if it gets applied properly) result in less spongers and more genuine claiments under PIP

no doubt because of the requirement to do the assessments properly ATOS will royally fcku it up, thankfully however a claiment will have hte option to request a DM changes there mind and submit supporting documents from there gp & specialist giving the DWP the chance to "fix" the problem wihtout needing to incurr court costs, nad if they continue to be bone headed theres always the tribunal system

i'll be intersted to see how long ATOS keep there job as assessors once the new system kicks in and the complaints start flowing in, also how it will relate to WDP and suppliments, it seems the 4 links that were on the vetrans page have been removed (or my browser is no longer showing them)
 
#18
I here what your all saying i just dont think ATOS will really care, this will be worse than ESA i can bank on it. I hope it doesnt but im not going to hold my breath. I just think this will be a nightmare from start to finish with undue stress thats not really needed.
What is needed to attend said ATOS appts is knowning how they work and putting your case forward in the strongest terms whilst making sure that they record and let you see the draft before you sign it. But in my last ATOS medical i was never asked to sign anything !!!
But next time im taking the wife and asking for the whole thing to be recorded, i think this will stop most the problems when dealing with HCPs or doctors employed by ATOS.

If ATOS where charged with each tribunal that it fails on, with giving the costs back to the DWP i think its slapdash attempts at doing this job would be a lot different and would be a damn good service.
 
#19
I can see some sort of method in the madness.
Still not happy, but with the revisions, some things in the assessment criteria make a bit of sense.
 
#20
thats kinda the point, one of the revisions in the current draft is about the training and quality of the assessor, the actuall assessment criteria are far more specific and simpler to qualify for *most* genuine cases but will provide the astute assessor the ability to weed out the non genuine cases

theres more ways to qualify (most of the criteria are listed as "or" for the final score meaning you only need ot get a yes for 3 questions)

as ATOS is contractually obliged ot meet the requirements under the system to provide suitible & qualified hcp's things will be looked into quite swiftly if too many "redress of decision" are lodged and reruled on by the DM (whatever there new name is) after all the current system is costign the Govt 500mill a year in tribunals and law suits on top of the cost of atos
 

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