Pilot's View - Jubilee Flypast

#7
It seems a shame that the BBMF haven't got a Ju88 or Heinkel to chase across the sky...
 
#8
It seems a shame that the BBMF haven't got a Ju88 or Heinkel to chase across the sky...
To be historically accurate, it needs to be a Heinkel 111 in Kampfgeschwader 55 markings. It was one of those which destroyed the Royal Chapel inside the Palace in September 1940. I don't know whether you'd want it to carry a load of bombs but if it did I think you could take it as a firm hint from Frau Merkel that she's had enough unasked for advice from the British about the European Union to last her for the rest of her life.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
wouldnt frau merkel be more inclined to ask if some of her maj's offspring fancied being german again to up her popularity, 1st reunification, 2nd kaiser Henry, 3rd....reich..!
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
It seems a shame that the BBMF haven't got a Ju88 or Heinkel to chase across the sky...
I know the movie battle of britain was filmed using spanish air force planes - what happened to them all?
 
#12
It seems a shame that the BBMF haven't got a Ju88 or Heinkel to chase across the sky...
I live quite near Bletchley Park and we get BBMF flyovers a few times every year. There's nothing like seeing the Lanc going pretty low over the back garden.
A few years ago I hear the engines and go outside to see the Lancaster going overhead and then one of the Spitfires having a mock dogfight with a Messerschmidt.
Them fighty pilots do like flying low.

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#13
Just a quick one...

Why would the Lancaster need that many blokes on it?

It isn't flying a 'mission' is it? So does it need (at least 5) blokes on board. Do they crew it as per it's wartime role?

I'm thinking Pilot, Flt Engr and Navigator... that's it. You don't need a bomb aimer if you ain't got the bombs, and you don't need gunners. Nor do you really need a radio Op anymore. I doubt Heathrow has the capability to deal with morse.

Admittedly I wouldn't be adverse to a 'second man' learning the ropes before moving on to Pilot, Flt Engr or Navigator.

Perhaps the other slots could be given out as rewards to RAF blokes who got around their PFT or even to paying punters.

See the Jubilee in style!!! Buy a Raffle ticket for a chance to be a rear gunner, top gunner or bomb/aimer gunner. Radio Op seat available too. Procedes to teh 'RAF buy a Typhoon fund'.


It's been done before!
 
#16
What ho, Ginger? Tally ho, wizard prang!
 
#17
Just a quick one...

Why would the Lancaster need that many blokes on it?

It isn't flying a 'mission' is it? So does it need (at least 5) blokes on board. Do they crew it as per it's wartime role?

I'm thinking Pilot, Flt Engr and Navigator... that's it. You don't need a bomb aimer if you ain't got the bombs, and you don't need gunners. Nor do you really need a radio Op anymore. I doubt Heathrow has the capability to deal with morse.

Admittedly I wouldn't be adverse to a 'second man' learning the ropes before moving on to Pilot, Flt Engr or Navigator.

Perhaps the other slots could be given out as rewards to RAF blokes who got around their PFT or even to paying punters.

See the Jubilee in style!!! Buy a Raffle ticket for a chance to be a rear gunner, top gunner or bomb/aimer gunner. Radio Op seat available too. Procedes to teh 'RAF buy a Typhoon fund'.
I thought that was more a lifestyle choice than something you 'won'.
 
#19
Just a quick one...

Why would the Lancaster need that many blokes on it?

It isn't flying a 'mission' is it? So does it need (at least 5) blokes on board. Do they crew it as per it's wartime role?
The operating crew for the BBMF Lanc is pilot (always the captain), co-pilot, flight engineer and nav. PA474 is very little altered from its original wartime standard (trivia alert: it was delivered as a ‘Tiger Force’ aircraft destined for the Pacific War so gun sights are calibrated and annotated for Japanese rather than German types) apart from dual controls and modern radios. Co-pilots are carried (unlike in WWII) largely to build up experience on the aircraft prior to captaincy.

Other crew positions will typically be occupied by a couple of groundcrew (if on a land away) and/or personnel who’ve been offered - or managed to scrounge - one of the very few opportunities to fly on the Lanc. As mentioned, this sortie will also have had a photographer on board for obvious reasons. However, I’m not surprised the Lanc was full; wouldn’t you want to fly on a Lanc, up The Mall in formation with Spits and a Hurricane?!!!

I’ve been lucky enough to fly on the Lanc twice and it is a quite incredible and moving experience.

Final point: all BBMF aircrew (apart from the OC) fly part time and are current on serving types (typically Typhoon for the fighters and a mix of E-3D, Sentinel and King Air for the Lanc and Dak).

Regards,
MM
 
#20
I’ve been lucky enough to fly on the Lanc twice and it is a quite incredible and moving experience.
I hope it was moving, otherwise the plane wouldn't fly!

Could we get some more passengers by blacknastying them in to the bomb bay?

It's 33ft long, so we could get five rows of three bods. Just imagine the happy look on peoples faces when the Lanc swooped low and opened its Bomb Doors to reveal 15 waving RAF chaps...

maybe use a seating arrangement like Alton Towers Air Wave...
 

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