Pilots prepare for landing on Royal Navy's new carriers

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Ministry of Defence said:
RAF and Royal Navy personnel have been training with the Flight Control Office - or Flyco - of the carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth at the BAE Systems simulator at Warton in Lancashire.
When the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) variant of the F-35 comes in to land on the deck of the UK’s next carriers it will be vital that pilots are well-versed in the skills of landing on a moving deck.
Pete Wilson, BAE Systems’ lead test pilot for the F-35 STOVL aircraft, said:
We are very supportive here in trying to help the customer come to terms with what the change to the STOVL version means in terms of bringing that aeroplane back in to land on the Queen Elizabeth carriers.
We are reverting back to a manoeuvre called ‘shipborne rolling vertical landing’ which means we are going to bring the F-35B in to land on the deck at about 60 knots (111 kilometres per hour).
It’s a complex engineering problem to try to solve because we don’t want to come down too steeply - that could break the aeroplane.
We don’t want to come down too fast because we would not be able to stop and would run off the front of the carrier which is clearly a disastrous situation. We don’t have a hook on the aeroplane so we have to stop using our wheelbrakes alone.
And we can’t afford to come down too shallow because if the stern of the ship comes up high towards the flight path we could hit the back of the ship and that’s also disastrous.

The control office has a commanding view of the aircraft's arrival (computer-generated image) [Picture: Copyright BAE Systems]Mr Wilson added:
The work we are doing is extremely important as a risk-reduction measure; what we are getting is an insight into the future so we are able to simulate the air around the ship, the lights which are embedded in the deck, and the procedures and radio calls we are going to use.
We are solving problems and putting design in place now when it is cheaper and easier than it would be later. I would say we are saving millions of dollars of potential design change in the future. It is immensely important work and that’s why we are here in this world class simulator facility.
In a busy year, Mr Wilson said that the team has met its milestones:
Every month we have a certain number of test points we have to execute which means flying the aeroplane a lot and we have managed to surpass the testing point requirement for the year, which is a significant achievement.
One objective of the trials has been to come up with a set of requirements that define which tools and techniques are required by the Landing Signals Officers in the Flyco, helping in the safe recovery of the approaching aircraft.
[h=4]This report features in the January 2013 issue of desider - the magazine for Defence Equipment and Support.[/h]


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So these personnel will be long gone by the time the actual carrier comes into service, and most will be drawing pensions by the time there is an aircraft ready to land on it.
 
#4
If the pilots can't land the planes because they can't stop in time, will the ship be cut in half to have an extra 50m or whatever welded into the middle like a limo?

Or will somebody just fit a hook to the aircraft?
 
#5
Hang on. This is supposed to be the STOVL version of the F-35. Isn't the V component working?
 
#7
Here is what will actually happen.

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So these personnel will be long gone by the time the actual carrier comes into service, and most will be drawing pensions by the time there is an aircraft ready to land on it.
Nope - quite a few guys have been drafted (or will be drafted in the next 12 months) to the QE class on the understanding it will be a 4 - 5 year long assignment. Promotion boards etc have been warned off so they are not dis-advantaged.
 
#9
Meanwhile at Army Barracks up and down the country, hundreds of young toms played X-Boxes.
 
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Hang on. This is supposed to be the STOVL version of the F-35. Isn't the V component working?

The "V bit" will be used 95% of the time. The SRVL bit is a hair-raising serial required to fully meet the KPP in one geographical location. Frankly scares the bejeesus out of me, but that's the downside of going F35B.
 
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F-35 shown landing on a mock-up of the new carrier somwhere in the Atlantic

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#14
Nope - quite a few guys have been drafted (or will be drafted in the next 12 months) to the QE class on the understanding it will be a 4 - 5 year long assignment. Promotion boards etc have been warned off so they are not dis-advantaged.
Yes of course, as these things are never late and always meet budget and timeframe.
 
#15
Yes of course, as these things are never late and always meet budget and timeframe.
Then you draft some more to follow on. It's not rocket science is it?
 
#19
But can there a be a substitute for getting jets embarked aboard Lusty/QE ? See this from the Telegraph: Royal Navy sackings 'will lose aircraft carriers skills forever' - Telegraph

The lack of adequately training personnel could delay the carrier coming into service by another three or four years, the Navy commander has said.

Another officer has told The Telegraph that the loss of carrier deck handling skills could prove "disastrous" with fatal accidents caused by inexperienced ratings.
and

With the loss of the aircraft carriers Ark Royal and Illustrious there is little employment for highly specialised deck crew that safely fly and recover aircraft.

The senior officer's concerns that have been passed on to the head of the Navy, are that with the "skills wastage and inability to ramp up level of skills" the new carriers cannot be brought in "in the timescale envisaged".
Also discussed here:

What
the First Sea Lord said....
 
#20
Who is this Senior Officer and has he seen the Chockheads currently embarked in CVNs all over the world getting precisely that knowledge?
 

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