Photos prompt call for Nazi ban

#2
Oops. But hardly a story.

Wonder how much the Observer paid for that lot. I reckon that they have nearly reached the bottom of the barrel there and are descending into the gutter for their 'stories'. Journalism at its worst. :evil:
 
#3
They could be fakes!!!!!!
 
#5
What really gets my goat is the Nazi's caused a war, and killed I think about 8 or 9 million all in (civillian and military and death camps) where as Communism has killed far far more, Stalin alone exicuted over 20 million of his own countrymen. Why hasnt that been banned???? Religion, the crusades, Pogroms, Bosnia/Kosovo/Abainia, Jews against Muslims, Muslims against us (I'm kinda seeing a trend here!!!) maybe that should be banned as well!!!! :lol:

If we used the same logic as the letfy librals who want us to forgive the little barstewards who go out mugging, robbing, and terrorising the population here and send them on nice little summer holidays cos mummy never hugged them/gave them a gameboy when they were young, then why arent those same lefty liberals urging us to forgive and forget one or two little mistakes on the Nazi's side!!!! :lol:

I'll get me coat!
 
#6
He said: 'I believe these photographs were taken in the mid to later 90s at a fancy-dress parade. The parade is similar to a rag week stunt and is organised by the cadets at the end of their tough, year-long training.'
glad to see my faith in journo's is being maintained!! so why did they not report this in the mid to late90's then?



Despite Ritchie's apology, the photo has offended some in the Jewish community. Lord Janner said: 'For future leaders to put on Nazi uniforms even for fun is incongruous, unacceptable and disrespectful to those who lost their lives.'
Says a voice from the nation that responds with violence everytime something happens in Israel. some other nation gets bombarded!!
 
#7
tattybadger said:
I reckon that they have nearly reached the bottom of the barrel there and are descending into the gutter for their 'stories'. Journalism at its worst. :evil:
Hit the bottom of the barrel years ago, carried on going and came out in Australia - only to fall into the hands of Murdoch.
 
#9
Guardian_Reader said:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1391590,00.html
Now is CONFESSION TIME Were any ARRSE members in that photograph and will they dare admit it?

I was NOT
 
#10
Guess i better destroy some of the phots i have then eh? :roll: :roll:
oh, wait, they could be a nice little earner to the right scum journo. :evil:


how is it that a handful of relatively small pressure groups have such a huge amount of power and influence? So much so that they can bully governments and multinational corporations into enforcing pointless draconian censorship laws.
 
#11
Now this is getting f*ckin' stupid. Where will it end?

Will the BBC apologise for the portrayal of Nazis in All, Allo.

Will Freddie Star put down his hampster sandwich and aplogise for attmpting to entertain whilst wearing a Nazi Uniform (can't remember which Unit really did wear wellies)?

Will Mel Brookes donate all of the profits he made from his films as he has played Adolf Hitler himself?


There are loads more but I just can't be bothered.

Can I make a suggestion to those who take offence on other people's behalf. Stop being so bloody pathetic and get a life of your own. :evil:
 
#12
There are existing laws that can be employed to counter racial abuse under HRA and at member state level. This is of those ideas that may seem good at first but that would turn out to be horrendously complex and would ultimately only benefit the lawyers! Could you then be prosecuted for building an Airfix plane with a swastika on the tail?

There are strong libertarian and moral grounds for opposing such a law. It may inhibit free and frank discussion and expression in unintended ways, particularly in states that lack the history of a prohibition of Nazi symbology that Germany and France have.

It is illusionary and hypocritical to hold up the Nazis and their Holocaust as an iconic act of evil and genocide and say "never again" in a self-congratulatory way, when a collective blind eye is turned to subsequent massacres in the Congo and elsewhere. Like World War 1, the "war to end all wars", the "never again" prophecy is illusionary.
 
#14
As well as officer cadets dressed as Nazis, others are pictured with their faces blackened and wearing Afro-wigs.
So expecting complaints from Chaka Khan, Don King, etc..... no? Don't think so. The students 'probably' looked too stupid as to offend anyway.

Despite Ritchie's apology, the photo has offended some in the Jewish community. Lord Janner said: 'For future leaders to put on Nazi uniforms even for fun is incongruous, unacceptable and disrespectful to those who lost their lives
I don't think anyone with sense would state the actvities of Hitler and his henchmen were nothing short of despictable. Although not my first, second or third choice in a fancy dress costume, could wearing one at a fancy dress do be seen as mocking the 'value' of the swastika to existing neo-nazis (like Freddie Starr used to)? IMO this does not clear PH and his choice of costume - considering his upbringing and the role of the Royal family in rememberance events of the holocast.

Also, I remember being on a school trip some years ago to farm for the week, and some of us 'dared' to wear leather goods whilst on the fields. Before the pictures come out, I wish to express my sincere apologies if we had hurt the feelings of the cows and horses of that farm....... 8O

Right, I know - get coat time :wink:
 
#16
I might not like the idea of having a swastika on my arm in a public party, but where has the freedom of speech, action and thought go? I thought we lived in a free world where everyone can act and live the way they want. Hitler was the worst sumbitch ever created by God and his nazis were animals, but does this mean we should ban everything related to naziism? The Nazis were and will always be part of History, no one can erase what happened to the people under there vicious rule. As for me, An apology from the Major General or Prince Harry is enough.

This is a free democratic and Liberal world, they got the right to say it without getting bashed by nazi-haters. Or are we turning into another Totalist and police State that we helped abolish? :?:
 
#17
First, the prince, now these officer cadets.

Some might view these reports as much ado about nothing: a few young men, in a spirit of frivolous amusement, putting on the regalia of a totalitarian gang that was smashed sixty years ago. Their choice of costume inflicted no real injury on anyone, no matter how much howling about it arose from various quarters.

In "The Fountainhead," Ayn Rand, through the mouthpiece of one of her villains, Ellsworth Toohey, observed:

"There's always a purpose in nonsense. Ask yourself what it accomplishes."

From the Guardian story linked above:

"Markus Soeder, general secretary of Germany's Christian Socialist Union opposition, said: 'In a Europe grounded in peace and freedom there should be no place for Nazi symbols. They should be banned throughout Europe, as they are with good reason in Germany.'"

Once the precedent is established that the government may ban, as inherently perverse, the display of a political symbol, however odious, there's no reason in principle why it cannot ban any political message.

Governments operate on precedent. It's easy to see why Mr. Soeder, and the like-minded, would like to establish more precedents for the view that the state is the arbiter of what political messages are so injurious that they must be suppressed by force.

If I were an Englishman, I wouldn't be in any hurry to amalgamate my country into the EU.
 
#18
Carlos_Hathcock_II said:
What really gets my goat is the Nazi's caused a war, and killed I think about 8 or 9 million all in (civillian and military and death camps) where as Communism has killed far far more, Stalin alone exicuted over 20 million of his own countrymen. Why hasnt that been banned???? Religion, the crusades, Pogroms, Bosnia/Kosovo/Abainia, Jews against Muslims, Muslims against us (I'm kinda seeing a trend here!!!) maybe that should be banned as well!!!! :lol:
The death toll from WW2 was much greater than 9 million. The Russians alone lost 25 million, British and American forces about 1 million each, 6 million jews died in Concentration camps.....

Stalin committed genocide in the name of Russia, not Communism, whereas the Nazi efforts were for National Socialism and Racial Cleansing.

As for banning images of Communism, the only feasible image associated with Communism is the hammer and sickle, which has other connotations such as symbolising the Working Class, as well as still being associated with Russia and China.
 
#19
luke said:
Stalin committed genocide in the name of Russia, not Communism, whereas the Nazi efforts were for National Socialism and Racial Cleansing.

As for banning images of Communism, the only feasible image associated with Communism is the hammer and sickle, which has other connotations such as symbolising the Working Class, as well as still being associated with Russia and China.
Well, you're wrong there, Stalin's millions were liquidated for being "class enemies" or "counter-revolutionaries" (a great catch-all), sent to prison camps for telling jokes about the communist party, and executed for being accused of spying, as well as being deported for merely being of a certain ethnicity (if you ever wonder what the Chechnya stuff is all about, Stalin deported all ethnic chechens in the 40s, and they're understandably still bitter). As for your assertion that the genocides were committed in the name of Russia, Stalin wasn't even Russian - he was Georgian.

As for images of communism, how often do you see people wearing "CCCP" t-shirts? Che guevara t-shirts (now there's a man that personally executed supposed "traitors", and even Fidel had to tell him to calm the fark down with the executions)? things with DDR or Cuban flags on?

And as for the hammer & sickle representing the working class, no it doesn't, it represents the CPSU (the chinese don't use it), and it was originally a hammer and plough. A better symbol for the British "working class" would be a white trainer and a burberry baseball cap.

(edited for...wait for it... an apostrophe!)
 

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