Phil Shiner Strikes Again

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Mr_Fingerz, Jan 20, 2013.

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  1. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

  2. What, war is nasty and people do awful things? Well, gawd strike me pink etc.
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  3. Sixty

    Sixty LE Moderator Book Reviewer
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    Well, given that a man was beaten to death while in our custody, it's probably worth looking at to see if there were any deeper failings / abuses.
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  4. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    True, but Mr Shiner seems to be making a career out of the mantra "Where there's blame, there's a claim".
  5. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    I'm all for this, we need to be seen as the good guys even if the other side may (mis)behave as they please.

    The one change I would make is to costs.
    As the MoD will have to pay compensation and costs if any of these charges are found to be gen, if they are found to be bollocks then the lawyers for the 180 Iraqis claiming would be required to pay both costs and compensation to all involved.

    The system would then be more even-handed and it may have an effect on the amount of fantasy claims brought to court.
    Competent legal teams with just cases would have nothing to fear & grubby ambulance chasers wouldn't be spunking my tax away.
    It's not as if Shiner & his ilk are living on the breadline is it ?
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  6. Things like this never end well, even if the main thrust of the allegations are never proved to the satisfaction of the court or the enquiry, some unsavoury practises by individuals or organisations may become public knowledge and this in some peoples eye will taint the whole Army.

    Once the spotlight of scrutiny is shone some knee jerk instructions will be made which will tie one hand behind a soldiers back making it more difficult to do the job.

    As a previous post said, these things need to be done to show that we take it seriously and that it is not an institutional thing.
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  7. If some regiments could stop their Toms beating the shit out of prisoners for more than ten minutes then Shiner would have no clients to represent.

    We bring all the bad publicity on ourselves.
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  8. Will the changes to Legal Aid in April bring about an end to Shiner et al's gravy train?
  9. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    What's this "we," white man ?
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  10. Well no one has had any memory recall, and as time ticks on large numbers will have moved on so the chances of a grand reveal with anything other than Sunday Mirror guessing and fake pics are looking pretty slim.

    Still that **** gets paid either way, so can't see it coming to a natural end either.

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  11. The lawyers always win, regardless of how it goes.
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  12. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    Exactly why the suggestion at #005 should be considered.
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  13. No one should ever condone the mis treatment of POWs, or any civilain/enemy military personnel that the British Army comes across on ops. Thats whats makes us professional and better. We are after all a force for good. Deliberate abuse/ tourture can never be tolerated, I only hope that things are investigated fairly and professionally for everyone's sake.
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  14. The key thing is that there IS blame. Everyone makes their own choices and they should be man enough to stand up and take the consequences of their actions.
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  15. How do we know that their is blame yet?

    If we knew that we wouldn't need an investigation.
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