Phil Shiner - Karma is a wonderful thing

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I can not stand Shiner or anything his firm represents.

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This sickened me, from the article-

A senior British officer, whose identity is being protected, wrote to officials in the Ministry of Defence setting out the extent of the distress caused.

In his email, the officer said: “How do we quantify the trauma of solders who, having been through particularly gruesome and harrowing experiences fighting for their country, are forced to repeatedly relive those experiences by the likes of Phil Shiner?”

He added: “At least one soldier has been admitted to the Priory on suicide watch, was medically discharged and remains seriously vulnerable.”

This soldier has been interviewed “repeatedly” by police and was shown “gruesome photos whilst being cross-examined, re-aggravating his illness”, he added. “I know of at least two other soldiers whose mental health has been affected adversely by the process,” the officer said.

I recall in one of these "inquiries" that the Iraqi witnesses we paid the equivanlent of two months wages PER DAY in expenses and when they were cross examined on the stand, they admitted that they were tellings lies because " that's what we thought you wanted to hear".

I hope Shiner and his firm are forced into bankruptcy over this and I hope the MOD supports the soldiers who were allegedly pyschologically abused by the Police - imagine showing a bloke on suicide watch, probably from PTSD ,photos of bodies - what on earth were they doing??? If this is correctly reported, then surely this is close to torture ........ the very thing that Shiner and his mates were so concerned about?

Editied to add - so British soldiers get rammed for raising their voice during questioning, but Police are allowed to psychologically torture a soldier suffering from a serious illness by forcing him to view disturbing images, damaging his treatment plan and probably years after the event?

Begs the question - was Shiner or any of his associates aware of this questioning technique that was so harmful it induced psychological trauma?
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When I saw a thread with the name Phil Shiner and the word 'karma' I must admit I was hoping for something else a bit more terminal. And with images.


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I must admit to being slightly disappointed, whilst the details included in the link is very distressing and indeed concerning, I feel I must say @Chodmeister has raised my hopes only to see them dashed. When I saw the thread title I immediately had mental images of Phil either being captured by ISIS whilst on another "investigation" in Iraq or having a close and personal encounter with a sexually aggressive Grizzly Bear whilst on a hiking holiday in Yellowstone Park. One lives in hope.
Under the United Nations Torture Convention of 1984, torture involves intentional infliction of pain, by a public official, to obtain information.

The full definition of torture in the convention is: "Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."
You cruel b*stard, what's the Grizzly Bear done to deserve that fate. Much prefer slashing the ankles and an Amazonian river with the fishes.
In the film The Edge, Sir Tony Hopkins mentions setting his lawyer onto Bart the Bear.... Bart plays man eating bear eager to taste Sir Tony n mr Baldwin.
If HMRC wanted to, pursue Shiner under some fraud charge.
Begs the question - was Shiner or any of his associates aware of this questioning technique that was so harmful it induced psychological trauma?
Do you think any of them would give a feck?

On the PIL web site, Phil describes himself as a "committed socialist". Presumably he views service personnel in the same light as the rest of us view the blokes in the guard towers at Auschwitz.

Add to that the fact that he can make millions from Legal Aid be persecuting the people that he despises. The article in the first post at the top of this thread states that Phil's company is launching 900 judicial reviews per year. A spectacularly nice little earner.

I doubt that Phil will suffer financially. As a committed socialist he'll be offshoring his cash to the Cayman Islands as fast as he can type the instructions. I hope and expect that he will be struck off as a solicitor but he'll just retire to spend more time with his money. Hopefully, the soldiers who have been affected by Phill will be able to get some compensation, either from PIL or from the funds that exist to compensate victims of rogue solicitors.

Perhaps the best outcome from this would be a change in the way that Legal Aid is funded. If lawyers like Phil can spend years making fortunes out of non existent crimes then Legal Aid has to change drastically.


A welcome kick in the teeth for the Libertarians, including our illustrious daily rag. Ingrained hostility should not pay, esp. when it's driven by greed and twisted by idealism. That Brummie law firm made '900 grand out of false claims '; if justice is going to be served then reputations and business will be nicely farked. How very satisfying. This is a nice result for those in the majority who were just doing their job. And for those who came out of it damaged. Where's their apology from the greed fat feckers ?
Oh how are the mighty fallen.
For preference Roman style on his own sword.
For that to happen he'd have to have some thread of decency.
"... The claims... will form the basis for an unprecedented legal move by the Government to sue PIL for millions of pounds and for its chief lawyer, Phil Shiner, to be struck off."

At least he can't do ARRSE for libel or defamation- everything said here so far seem fair to me (other than the fact the mouthbreather is still breathing!).
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Feckin morons!

"In March last year, Sir Thayne Forbes, the chairman of the public inquiry, commended the firm’s legal team for their “courage” in deciding to withdraw the central allegation that Iraqis captured after the Battle of Danny Boy were killed in British custody. "
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