PFT pass rates

#1
Just hearing on the grapevine that there seems to be a rather high failure rate in some units...

msr.

P.S. Don't want to hear about fitness your responsibility, blah, blah.
 
#2
We had a surprisingly high pass rate (for TA RLC). with only a couple of people not getting greens.

Only we found out later, that the PTI`s had secretly shortened the 2.4k to 2.2k.

I was fairly gutted as I thought I had a stormer of a time (for me anyway!)
 
#3
I did one at chillwell last month main reason for guys failing in my cmpy was forgetting what the number of press ups or sit ups they had to do
 
#4
HOllOS said:
I did one at chillwell last month main reason for guys failing in my cmpy was forgetting what the number of press ups or sit ups they had to do
Tell me you're not MI.
 
#6
WhiteHorse said:
HOllOS said:
I did one at chillwell last month main reason for guys failing in my cmpy was forgetting what the number of press ups or sit ups they had to do
Tell me you're not MI.
NO mate im not im infantry probably explains a lot but we were in mixed groups when we did this
 
#7
Ive never had a problem myself in 24 yrs always passed everything, and never wanted to fail, thats the way it was in basic trg 24 yrs ago.... Now im afraid the younger generation wont push their bodies beyond any sort of limits..........Call it what you want " the play station generation" but it really is something when a 45 yr old can out run most of the 18 to 30 yr olds on mobilisation 2 yrs ago...most couldnt do it full stop, some gave up and one didnt even bother !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nuff said
 
#8
It's just a bit of a shock that I've got to run the 1.5 miles faster than I had to run the second half of the BFT 25 years ago :(
 
#9
HOllOS said:
I did one at chillwell last month main reason for guys failing in my cmpy was forgetting what the number of press ups or sit ups they had to do
Isn't it supposed to be best effort anyway, so in theory you shouldn't have to know how many you have to do? You should just keep pumping them out until you can't pump any more?
 
#10
In answer to MSR's question I'm not suprised any change from one which was an assesment with advise given, to one that is a compusory test will have problems in the first few months. We've gone from a reserve with 6 weeks notice to one with 10 days notice. IMHO there should be a resreve level of fitness for the PFT. Can you really expect part timers to spend more time keeping fit than doing trade etc? In order to pass the PFT I have had to do 4-5 hours PT a week (I'm an old git) its the last 10% that is the hardest, maybe reserves and troops on non deployment should have to stay within 10% of the PFT or is the TA PFT already lower?
 
#11
Exactly the same as regs. My max time for 1.5 mile has been slashed from 13.45 to 11 mins at the stroke of a pen. Seeing as I average about 11.30 Im hoping for a following wind with light rain at Chillwell.

Anybody know should I fail any part of BPFA @ Chillwell would I be RTU'd?

Seems daft as a reg couldnt wriggle out of deployment by failing the run times so why should I be knocked back for the sake of a few seconds ( still well inside last years BFPA time)?
 
#12
danielsan said:
Exactly the same as regs. My max time for 1.5 mile has been slashed from 13.45 to 11 mins at the stroke of a pen. S
Since when ! Ive been in since 97 , and since the new pft came in a few years ago , only the over 50s got times like 13,45 and a packed lunch !
 
#13
danielsan said:
Exactly the same as regs. My max time for 1.5 mile has been slashed from 13.45 to 11 mins at the stroke of a pen. Seeing as I average about 11.30 Im hoping for a following wind with light rain at Chillwell.

Anybody know should I fail any part of BPFA @ Chillwell would I be RTU'd?

Seems daft as a reg couldnt wriggle out of deployment by failing the run times so why should I be knocked back for the sake of a few seconds ( still well inside last years BFPA time)?
You are most likely to be accepted by the deploying unit 'at risk' with (if they are stwitched on) a remedial PT programme. Incidentally, depending on where you end up, an op tour can be an excellent place to work on fitness.
 

jmj

Old-Salt
#14
danielsan said:
Anybody know should I fail any part of BPFA @ Chillwell would I be RTU'd?
Very very unlikely. Your time will just give you a fitness catagory which will be noted on your med docs. If you were really really slow, collapsed half way around or finished on all fours, then you would possibly be restricted to the duties you could do in theatre (ie, limited to camp) but plenty of guys didn't make the grade when I passed through there in 04 and they still deployed.

As BS noted, a tour is a great way to improve.. There's not much to do out there in the limited time you have "off duty" other than go for a run or hit the gym. I was certainly as fit as I've ever been when I returned.

J
 
#15
The_Green_Manalishi said:
HOllOS said:
I did one at chillwell last month main reason for guys failing in my cmpy was forgetting what the number of press ups or sit ups they had to do
Isn't it supposed to be best effort anyway, so in theory you shouldn't have to know how many you have to do? You should just keep pumping them out until you can't pump any more?
No they tell u the number of press ups/sit ups u need to get at the beginning of the test
 
#16
Just keep going to you drop though pti should tell you the pass mark .You
would have to be pretty crap not to get moblised
 
#17
megadeth said:
danielsan said:
Exactly the same as regs. My max time for 1.5 mile has been slashed from 13.45 to 11 mins at the stroke of a pen. S
Since when ! Ive been in since 97 , and since the new pft came in a few years ago , only the over 50s got times like 13,45 and a packed lunch !
Since 01/04/06 TA now uses same scoring system as reg army - other arms limits have also been dropped to regular standards.

The crazy thing is recruits going through training just now are still assessed on 13.45 but come first MATT weekend they do it will be on 10.30 for under 30 years old.

Hopefully Im wrong on this - but thats the information Im getting.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#18
One fail on the run (every unit has to have one fitness biff!). The remainder OK.

And no, it is still not a meaningful test of a soldier's fitness for role!
 
#19
HOllOS said:
The_Green_Manalishi said:
HOllOS said:
I did one at chillwell last month main reason for guys failing in my cmpy was forgetting what the number of press ups or sit ups they had to do
Isn't it supposed to be best effort anyway, so in theory you shouldn't have to know how many you have to do? You should just keep pumping them out until you can't pump any more?
No they tell u the number of press ups/sit ups u need to get at the beginning of the test
They don't always. In any case, should you really stop when you hit 44 pressups, even if you have 30 seconds to go?
 
#20
danielsan said:
megadeth said:
danielsan said:
Exactly the same as regs. My max time for 1.5 mile has been slashed from 13.45 to 11 mins at the stroke of a pen. S
Since when ! Ive been in since 97 , and since the new pft came in a few years ago , only the over 50s got times like 13,45 and a packed lunch !
Since 01/04/06 TA now uses same scoring system as reg army - other arms limits have also been dropped to regular standards.

The crazy thing is recruits going through training just now are still assessed on 13.45 but come first MATT weekend they do it will be on 10.30 for under 30 years old.

Hopefully Im wrong on this - but thats the information Im getting.
Nope your (almost) correct. Having worked as PTI on Phase 1 trg, people joining on their TAFS2 got 13.45min as this was determined to be the minimum time that people could do and still pass the training after the 7 weekends with training. If they failed the run then they had to pass the run back at unit before they could attend. Problem I found was that people who failed would still attend the weekends after supposidly passing the run at unit (quite amazing how many people who had failed managed to get ~13.44min back at unit after running 15-16min with me :? .)

However it has been changed to CEG (Catergory Employment Group, IIRC) which means that those who are to join the inf must pass in 13min at start of training and the corp must pass in 14min. Personal opinion its good that they are raising the standard but 13min to 10.30min after becoming a trained soldier would seem like a big jump for some.

@ The_Green_Manalishi:
They should read the PFT brief before you begin each section of the test. if not ask why as it provides all the important info that you need i.e reps/times, location of medic, hazards etc.

Scots
 

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