Peugeot 208 Allure 1.2l 82HP "Engine Fault - Repair Needed."

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My Pug is ill. The other day I was driving across town when the engine started to stutter intermittently and become sluggish. When I'd finished at my destination I started it up and drove home without incident. Thought nothing of it. The next day I had to drive across town again and the same thing happened when passing the same spot. Skip on two days and at the same spot it started to seem like it was running on one cylinder and the engine fault message, dings and warning light came on in orange. After a restart the engine ran smooth but light stayed on.

Today, started up and the engine runs fine and the warnings have gone. Go across town a different way, thinking that maybe there was some new kit on the railway sidings I pass on the usual route that was (presumably illegally) sending out interference and knacking the engine computer. Get the intermittent stutter again. When I restarted to come home I got the warning message and lit-up symbol, still in orange.

I've had a rummage under the bonnet but there are no loose connectors, the plugs seem fine, the oil looks good. I'm wondering if the flood-bashing before Xmas hasn't caught up with me, or when I filled up with cheap supermarket fuel a week or so ago I picked up a tank-load of contaminated (water?) go-juice.

Before I go and have the "experts" plug their laptop into the the thing and tell me it's going to be a few hundred notes to change out an easily accessible, easily-replaced, penny-ante sensor widget the size of my little fingernail that constitutes a two minute job I thought I'd throw it over to the ArRSe Kollectiv.

My first couple of cars (Mk2 Cavalier hatch and 1996 Clio respectively); it would have been easy: misfiring so take out the plugs, inspect, wire brush, feeler gauge and adjust, replace. Take off distributor cap; inspect, dry, clean contacts and rotor, replace if contacts excessively worn. Problem still persists; replace plugs with shiny new ones. These modern computer-controlled cars, though - well, where do you start?! It's serviced by the dealer (so using genuine parts) so the plugs - or whatever passes for them on a modern engine - should be changed out every year and so should be good. It's due its service and MoT next month.

It's a 2014 model but only got 23145 miles on it. Shouldn't be knacked yet given that, mechanically, it's only two years old by current mileage standards.
 
Peugeots are not my favourite cars and are prone to electrical faults generally.

If it's fuel then either drain / syphon as much fuel out as you can and then top up with Super Unleaded. Give it a blast out to clear through what is in the filter and fuel rail.

There was also a Feb 2019 software update for the 1.2 Puretech engine so it might be worth taking it in to a dealer [shudder]. I only know this because wife's friend had hers in for service and I happened to see the bill.

If it's electrical then could be one of several things e.g. crank position sensor, or worst case of an ECU fault [potentially expensive].

Hope this helps.
 

Ravers

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My Pug is ill. The other day I was driving across town when the engine started to stutter intermittently and become sluggish. When I'd finished at my destination I started it up and drove home without incident. Thought nothing of it. The next day I had to drive across town again and the same thing happened when passing the same spot. Skip on two days and at the same spot it started to seem like it was running on one cylinder and the engine fault message, dings and warning light came on in orange. After a restart the engine ran smooth but light stayed on.

Today, started up and the engine runs fine and the warnings have gone. Go across town a different way, thinking that maybe there was some new kit on the railway sidings I pass on the usual route that was (presumably illegally) sending out interference and knacking the engine computer. Get the intermittent stutter again. When I restarted to come home I got the warning message and lit-up symbol, still in orange.

I've had a rummage under the bonnet but there are no loose connectors, the plugs seem fine, the oil looks good. I'm wondering if the flood-bashing before Xmas hasn't caught up with me, or when I filled up with cheap supermarket fuel a week or so ago I picked up a tank-load of contaminated (water?) go-juice.

Before I go and have the "experts" plug their laptop into the the thing and tell me it's going to be a few hundred notes to change out an easily accessible, easily-replaced, penny-ante sensor widget the size of my little fingernail that constitutes a two minute job I thought I'd throw it over to the ArRSe Kollectiv.

My first couple of cars (Mk2 Cavalier hatch and 1996 Clio respectively); it would have been easy: misfiring so take out the plugs, inspect, wire brush, feeler gauge and adjust, replace. Take off distributor cap; inspect, dry, clean contacts and rotor, replace if contacts excessively worn. Problem still persists; replace plugs with shiny new ones. These modern computer-controlled cars, though - well, where do you start?! It's serviced by the dealer (so using genuine parts) so the plugs - or whatever passes for them on a modern engine - should be changed out every year and so should be good. It's due its service and MoT next month.

It's a 2014 model but only got 23145 miles on it. Shouldn't be knacked yet given that, mechanically, it's only two years old by current mileage standards.
Is it a diesel or petrol?

DPF would be my first port of call if it’s a diesel.

I imagine the reason it’s happened in the same place, is because it materialises after a certain distance or time the engine has been running. The time you get to that particular spot is when you’ve done x miles or minutes from home and the ECU thinks “**** me, somethings wrong.”
 

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Is it a diesel or petrol?

DPF would be my first port of call if it’s a diesel.

I imagine the reason it’s happened in the same place, is because it materialises after a certain distance or time the engine has been running. The time you get to that particular spot is when you’ve done x miles or minutes from home and the ECU thinks “**** me, somethings wrong.”
Petrol.
 

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Thanks for the feedback so far, chaps.
 

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Try taking the connectors to the ecu off and giving it a good hit of WD40. Could be something as simple as a dodgy connector.
 

NSP

LE
Try taking the connectors to the ecu off and giving it a good hit of WD40. Could be something as simple as a dodgy connector.
I was thinking (hoping!) it'd just be a case of giving all the sockets a blast with the airline and pluging the connectors back in, as it happens.

I suspect I might have immersed something that doesn't like being immersed, however.
 
I’ll offer my usual expertise on these things.

The fücking fücker is fücking fücked.

Hope this helps.
 

NSP

LE
Seeing as it's a Petrol, possibly coil pack?
What's that?

On an old engine I knew what the parts were - coil, alternator, distributor, etc. On this thing, there's no distributor; there's a little box of digital stuff. The plugs are tiny little nipple things in the top, not the sides, of the cylinders. There's no dipstick - there's a level display on the dash. There is an alternator, though.
 

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I’ll offer my usual expertise on these things.

The fücking fücker is fücking fücked.

Hope this helps.
Cheers, mate. Knew I could count on you for a solution.

Could you stick a suitable device on it for me so I can get a decent insurance claim in after initiation but without the inconvenience of a lot of anti-terrorism Plod crawling all over it and asking me difficult questions...?
 

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What's that?

On an old engine I knew what the parts were - coil, alternator, distributor, etc. On this thing, there's no distributor; there's a little box of digital stuff. The plugs are tiny little nipple things in the top, not the sides, of the cylinders. There's no dipstick - there's a level display on the dash. There is an alternator, though.
Depends how the spark plugs are sorted on the engine, some engines have a box over the spark plugs that's runs off your ECU and applies power to the correct sparks. These boxes can cause quite a few problems.

Do you know anyone with a cheap OBD they could plug in for you might give you a bit of guidance to the fault?

My car (67 plate focus diesel) would go into limp home mode every time the revs got quite high. Spent ages going around trying to find the fault, in the end the turbo pipe wasnt on tight enough, and starving the engine of air at high revs and the pressure built.

Best bet would be OBD and hope it narrows down the search.
 

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LE
Do you know anyone with a cheap OBD they could plug in for you might give you a bit of guidance to the fault?
Yeah but the Big C got him three years ago.

There's a box with the plug leads coming out of it but it is down the back of the block, not on top.

Cheers, chap.
 
Cheers, mate. Knew I could count on you for a solution.

Could you stick a suitable device on it for me so I can get a decent insurance claim in after initiation but without the inconvenience of a lot of anti-terrorism Plod crawling all over it and asking me difficult questions...?
I hope you don’t berate me for offering some proper device, but motors often have common quirks and quick look on t’internet often identifies the problem and solution.

failing that there’s plenty of french car specialist parts providers who may be able to offer some advice, these have looked after me in the past when I was really poor and don’t know better than to own a Peugeot. (Please keep that to yourself, it’s a tad embarrassing).

 

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I hope you don’t berate me for offering some proper advice, but motors often have common quirks and quick look on t’internet often identifies the problem and solution.

failing that there’s plenty of french car specialist parts providers who may be able to offer some advice, these have looked after me in the past when I was really poor and don’t know better than to own a Peugeot. (Please keep that to yourself, it’s a tad embarrassing).

No, mate - grateful for your time. BZ.

I'd already spun through the Pug forums.

Bit of a dry subject so thought I'd try and chuck a funny in, since everyone was being so helpful and not taking the piss. I was hoping someone might say, "Same car, same problem: it was this," so I could tap up the parts desk and swap out some mundane widget myself for peanuts.

Had to get a new rear light cluster after the flood episode and they're in at £120. Talked up the little machine's performance in the face of adversity and he cut me a discount down to £80; dunno whether that was for showing confidence in the product or because he had discretionary authority on his sales and bought a sob story but - heck - a discount is a discount.

There's no embarrassment to owning a Peugeot. Mine's a brilliant little car - good economy with sprightly performance, comfortable, brilliantly laid-out and functional dash, really good cruise control interface, good touch-screen interface; the list goes on. Only real gripe is that you have to open the passenger door to pull the bonnet release, which means I have to bring it out of the garage if I want to top up the screen wash, check the brake reservoir and coolant tank, etc.
 
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You could give yourself a head start and buy your own diagnostic gizmo- all cars built after 1996 are fitted with the terminal to plug it in to (usually under the dashboard).
Just plug it in, turn the ignition on and wait for it to come up with the code. Some, like the one below, also give you a brief translation of the fault into what work might be required. Otherwise google it for the same.
Autel Autolink AL619 EU OBD2 Diagnostic Tool Scanner Code Reader SRS ABS Airbag
If you buy this one you’ll need the one with the EU designation which includes Peugeot and Citroen.
 
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LE
You could give yourself a head start and buy your own diagnostic gizmo- all cars built after 1996 are fitted with the terminal to plug it in to.
Autel Autolink AL619 EU OBD2 Diagnostic Tool Scanner Code Reader SRS ABS Airbag

[Link excised for PERSEC]
Cheers, chap. I'll keep it in mind but I suspect the dealer will charge less to plug theirs in and tell me what's fornicated it than it will to buy my own. I'm kinda hoping this will be the only fault before I trade it in for a new one!
 
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