Petrol pump fumes to be targeted

#1
Petrol fumes which escape into the atmosphere as motorists fill up at the pumps - adding to summer smog - are to be targeted in a government crackdown.
Ministers are proposing that large UK service stations should fit fume control equipment in a bid to halve current emissions from petrol stations.

Known as Petrol Recovery stage 11 controls, the device would capture fumes and recycle them back into fuel.

Environment minister Ben Bradshaw said the move would aid public health.

It would improve air quality and cut smog, which is damaging to human health and vegetation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4412228.stm

Which emits more harmful pollution? A petrol pump or a car?

Answers on a postcard to ; 'We're not addressing the issue but we'll say any old bollox so as not to offend the oil companies and motor manufacturers , c/o 10 Backhand Street , London. SW1.'


What next, an official Government directive to stop eating Baked Beans, as botty burps degrade air quality and add to smog?

I want to scream.
 

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#2
I think many countries, and including many States of the USA, have this scheme already. There is a simple device avaiable which captures the fumes, and prescipitates them out again for re-use.

However, this being UK 2005, read on.....

The petrol companies, and envorinmental groups are in favour of this, and it could have been in place years ago, but there is an argument between Gordon Brown and the petrol companies. He is demanding that duty be paid on any petrol collected this way, and then sold. The petrol companies say that the duty is already paid, and that it is 'only' the driver who loses out.

With duty payable on it (arguably for a second time) the petrol companies won't do it - not viable. HMT won't budge. Impasse.
 
#4
PartTimePongo said:
Petrol fumes which escape into the atmosphere as motorists fill up at the pumps - adding to summer smog - are to be targeted in a government crackdown.
Ministers are proposing that large UK service stations should fit fume control equipment in a bid to halve current emissions from petrol stations.

Known as Petrol Recovery stage 11 controls, the device would capture fumes and recycle them back into fuel.

Environment minister Ben Bradshaw said the move would aid public health.

It would improve air quality and cut smog, which is damaging to human health and vegetation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4412228.stm

Which emits more harmful pollution? A petrol pump or a car?

Answers on a postcard to ; 'We're not addressing the issue but we'll say any old bollox so as not to offend the oil companies and motor manufacturers , c/o 10 Backhand Street , London. SW1.'


What next, an official Government directive to stop eating Baked Beans, as botty burps degrade air quality and add to smog?

I want to scream.
What about a wind-bag politician?
 
#5
Not_Whistlin_Dixie said:
PartTimePongo said:
What next, an official Government directive to stop eating Baked Beans, as botty burps degrade air quality and add to smog?
I vaguely recall reading somewhere that US Environmental Protection Agency was looking into the "problem" of methane gas discharged when cows burp.
Cows are actually the biggest source of methane emissions, and although methane is a lot less long-lived as a greenhouse gas than CO2 it makes up for this by being much more potent.So although it does sound absoloutely barking, cow flatulence really does have an impact.
 
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Not_Whistlin_Dixie said:
British scientists have developed a means of curtailing the volume of cow flatulence to protect the environment from excessive release of methane gas.

"War on climate change targets flatulent cows" 4 December 2005
by Toby McDonald

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1903311,00.html
Read this in a book about collosal F**k-ups;

A vet in denmark,was called out one night,to attend to a badly constipated cow.He inserted a length of pipe into the cows rear to relieve the pressure,the gas was jetting out nicely and the vet,feeling chuffed with himself,decided to have a ciggie!

WHOOOOOOSH.........the hose up the cows arrse,turned into a flamethrower,and burned down the entire barn,cows n´all.

The judge,charged him with gross stupidity,or similiar,and had to pay damages.

Well I thought it funny. :twisted:

Midnight
 
#8
Not_Whistlin_Dixie said:
British scientists have developed a means of curtailing the volume of cow flatulence to protect the environment from excessive release of methane gas.
so, thats what all that 'mad cow' thing was about eh? methane cull???? :wink:
 
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Not_Whistlin_Dixie said:
British scientists have developed a means of curtailing the volume of cow flatulence to protect the environment from excessive release of methane gas.
Easy-peasy, shove Greedy Gordon up a cow's arrse - that should stop botty -burps. But hang on, we,d have to clone G.G. inumerable times in order to deal with all the cows in the world.....
Feck it, another plan for File 13!
 
#12
Midnight's story is similar to one reported in Private Eye many years ago.

Two chaps (Kiki Rodriguez and his chum) were indulging in a bit of harmless ******** in New York with their pet gerbil.

Apparently on the cry 'armageddon' the gerbil was to be retrieved cos the guy had had enough.

The gerbil refused to come out so Kiki used a lighter to see where it had got to.

The gases ignited propelling the gerbil at high velocity into Kiki's nose. The gerbil died and Kiki suffered burns and a broken nose.

A New York policeman said that he felt sorry for the gerbil.
 
#13
Percy said:
Midnight's story is similar to one reported in Private Eye many years ago.

Two chaps (Kiki Rodriguez and his chum) were indulging in a bit of harmless ******** in New York with their pet gerbil.

Apparently on the cry 'armageddon' the gerbil was to be retrieved cos the guy had had enough.

The gerbil refused to come out so Kiki used a lighter to see where it had got to.

The gases ignited propelling the gerbil at high velocity into Kiki's nose. The gerbil died and Kiki suffered burns and a broken nose.

A New York policeman said that he felt sorry for the gerbil.
Just after that famous story about R*ch*rd Gere,there were two gerbils walking past a gay bar.Hey, let´s go in and get Sh*t Faced!!!

sorry,midnight
 
#14
Back to the original thread...

Volatile organic compounds (VOCs) (Petrol vapours to you and me) are a major cause of smog and airborne polution, more so than the exhaust gas that come out of the tailpipe of your car.

If you fill up your 60 litre litre tank with petrol you displace 60 litres of of petrol vapour into the atmosphere. The only thing that comes out of your catalytic converter-equipped car is Nitrogen, CO2 and water. The VOCs - produced mostly from unburned fuel - are removed. Sunlight breaks these down to form oxidants, which react with oxides of nitrogen to cause ground level ozone (O3), a major component of smog.

Vapour recovery systems have been in use in California for over 15 years. I don't know how much liquid 60 litres would condense back to and the tax issue is a very thorny one where the only true winner would be G Brown esquire and the real losers would be the motorists.
 
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Percy said:
Midnight's story is similar to one reported in Private Eye many years ago.

Two chaps (Kiki Rodriguez and his chum) were indulging in a bit of harmless ******** in New York with their pet gerbil 'Faggot'.

Apparently on the cry 'armageddon' the gerbil was to be retrieved cos the guy had had enough.

The gerbil refused to come out so Kiki used a lighter to see where it had got to.

The gases ignited propelling the gerbil at high velocity into Kiki's nose. The gerbil died and Kiki suffered burns and a broken nose.

A New York policeman said that he felt sorry for the gerbil, it having "been shoved up some Queen's tradesman's entrance" .
Detail added from my recollection of the article.
 
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Maj_Boothroyd said:
Back to the original thread...

Volatile organic compounds (VOCs) (Petrol vapours to you and me) are a major cause of smog and airborne polution, more so than the exhaust gas that come out of the tailpipe of your car.

If you fill up your 60 litre litre tank with petrol you displace 60 litres of of petrol vapour into the atmosphere. The only thing that comes out of your catalytic converter-equipped car is Nitrogen, CO2 and water. The VOCs - produced mostly from unburned fuel - are removed. Sunlight breaks these down to form oxidants, which react with oxides of nitrogen to cause ground level ozone (O3), a major component of smog.

Vapour recovery systems have been in use in California for over 15 years. I don't know how much liquid 60 litres would condense back to and the tax issue is a very thorny one where the only true winner would be G Brown esquire and the real losers would be the motorists.
Just to prove I´m not a total moron;

they´ve been using ´gaiters´on pumps in Germany,for the last 8 or so years,principally,as a protection,not so much for the enviroment,but against,inhaling possible,health hazards;Cancer,bronchitus etc.

I myself, have converted my motor to LPG,enviroment friendly, and a d*mn sight cheaper than benzine.The fact that G.Brown,wants extra tax,even to the extent of risking peoples health,is in my opinion,nothing short of scandalous.I am starting to get really annoyed at T*ny´s band of robbers,don´t they have any grip on reality?

Is this a case of `Dying to pay Tax`?

Midnight.........G.Brown´s new motto`Duty till Death`...!....er yours not mine........................!
 

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