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Personality Disorder?

#1
What's up everyone. I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I'm an American who served in the Regular U.S Army for a year before being discharged due to an apparent Personality Disorder. My discharge was Honorable, but the code was RE-4 which means 'Not recommended for Re-Enlistment.' Therefore if I tried joining the American Army again, I couldn't.

I was discharged in 2003, and since then, well, married a British girl, became a British citizen, and now we're looking for an extra income, so I would like to join the TA. My question is will my prior foreign service hinder me from doing so? Some background I had never been diagnosed with a personality disorder previously. Pretty much I hated the sound of my roomates snoring, and would sleep out on the catwalk to avoid it. When we were in the field I'd take my sack away from formation at night to get away from it, missed firewatch one time because my squad couldn't find me in the dark, and my 1st SGT recommended that I be put through for separation. I have never seen anyone in the civilian world regarding a 'personality disorder.' Never taken any meds, have worked normal jobs, and well being married broke me into the getting used to snoring....so what's the deal?

Is this even something I'd have to disclose to a recruiter? I'm sure it's something they'd want to know, but may send red flags. Being in the US Army I heard many cases of guys being denied for answering a certain question, then drove to a recruiter in the next town, said, "no" on whatever it was, then they were in. Therefore, how much of a background check does the TA do? I have my DD214(discharge papers)&an old pay slip from then, and that's it. I would have no clue how to obtain anymore of my service or medical records, so is this something I, or they, would be likely to do?
 

LancePrivateJones

MIA
Book Reviewer
#4
I was under the impression that the only person that can diagnose a Personality Disorder is a psychiatrist.

Did you see one and was this confirmed?

Personality Disorder is the term for what used to be called Psychopathic Disorder by the way.
 
#5
I tried to join the US Coast Guard some moons ago only to be told that the US will not accept anyone who has served in a "foreign" power as a combatant - however if you are naturalised I dont forsee a problem - dont quote me though as I am not a fuckwit in HM gubbermint you looney!
 
#6
Anyways, why would you want to use inferior weaponry and join a load of wannabees unless you are one?
checkout the **** thats in charge gubbermint wise ( who is a tax dodging millionaire trench-dodging wankbag)
 
Z

Zarathustra

Guest
#7
I was under the impression that the only person that can diagnose a Personality Disorder is a psychiatrist.

Did you see one and was this confirmed?

Personality Disorder is the term for what used to be called Psychopathic Disorder by the way.
I think you might be getting confused with anti-social personality disorder.
 
Z

Zarathustra

Guest
#11
I was under the impression that it was the same thing.

Maybe Jarrod could clarify.
It's not always the most reliable source of information, but these are from Personality disorders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





 

jarrod248

LE
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#12
I was under the impression that it was the same thing.

Maybe Jarrod could clarify.
Aren't psychopaths now sociopaths? I thought personality disorders were lazy diagnoses that covered things that couldn't be diagnosed under any other disorder, many would previously have been diagnosed as schizoid or perhaps a bit odd.
 
#13
Aren't psychopaths now sociopaths? I thought personality disorders were lazy diagnoses that covered things that couldn't be diagnosed under any other disorder, many would previously have been diagnosed as schizoid or perhaps a bit odd.
sociopath is mainly a yank term but both have been replaced with anti-social or dis-social (yank)
 
#15
No I'm a dual citizen I think due to relations with the US&UK(we're all incahoots with Israel in the New World Order or something right? ;) ) I think it used to be like that at a time as I knew some people in the States that had to give up their citizenships to become an American. It says something in our passports that we can loose it for serving in a foreign military, or taking an oath or allegiance to a foreign country(which I had to do to the Queen), but I think it has to do with what country you do it to.

I can't remember who exactly it was I had to see, but I was sent to our unit DOC, and then some lady at the base hospital, (could have been a psychiatrist), who pretty much signed off on my reaction to the snoring conflicted with my job. I got an honorable discharge, but 'personality disorders' have been on a big rise in US discharges because pretty much it's handy for them to discharge us without us claiming medical compensation on VA benefits later. I've never seen anyone about it sense because I've never had any issues outside of the military, which I think I'm used to now. Probably would have gotten used to it then if they gave me more than a year!

I noticed on the TA's online application they asked if I served in a foreign military and if I had my discharge papers, which is why I didn't know if they'd go that far to look into them or not. I suppose I could not even mention it, but the motto Army tatt on my arm wouldn't allow that. How would I bring it up then?

Yea yea, the USMC are rockstars, but they're not "Soldiers," they're "Marines," as I'm sure they'll let you know! HA!
 
#16
It's not always the most reliable source of information, but these are from Personality disorders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Thanks for that.

I was told many years ago that the term Psychopath was abandoned because it is too narrow a description for the condition and was replaced with Personality Disorder because that opened up the condition into definable types.

This was told to me by a Charge Nurse at a large psychiatric hospital.

However I am no expert hence my suggestion that Jarrod could clarify.

As the OP is back on line again maybe he could tell us which type he is.
 
#18
Discharge from the US Military for "Personality Disorder" it is likely, for practical purposes, to be considered by the British Army in the equivalent light of "Temperamentally Unsuitable".

"Individuals attracting the label of temperamental unsuitability, which in relation to Army personnel is covered by Section 9.4(14) of the Army Act 1955, often have personality difficulties." (From Military forensic psychiatry) (first handy article, but small para covers sufficiently).

OP neither having received treatment for, nor suffered further apparent difficulties due to PD is consistent with the British Army equivalent. I do not have sufficient knowledge regarding the Yank system, but the British Army's criterion for discharge under "mental health" conditions such as the one being described (there used to be a Tri-Service Psychiatric Unit based at Catterick; don't know if it's still there nowadays), namely PD/TU is set much lower than the civilian CMHT (Community Mental Health Team or whatever they're called nowadays) threshold for a person to be admitted to their service. Excuse the tortured grammar; it's late.

What transpires is a scenario where an individual "suffers" (for want of a better description) from a personality type/temperament that is considered unsuitable for the military err, milieu, but wouldn't concern civilian psychiatric services in the slightest. Nonetheless, there's the door, Sonny. There's many a young 'un fallen foul of that due to the exigencies of the situation and, more importantly, the needs of the service.

With regard to enlisting in the TA: Whether or not OP is nowadays TU is moot. Previous history (as described) is likely to be unreliable as indicator for suitability due to possibility of changes in temperament due to maturity, experience etc. This notwithstanding, what happened, happened, and to declare it might lead to a situation where it can't be explained away, no matter how much water has passed under the bridge. Best kept under one's hat, then? That's another way of looking at it. It's a murky old beast, the human personality.
 
#19
Just remember, you are not allowed to torch 'hooches' using your zippo in the TA. Much though they would like it to be the case
 

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