Pentagon to allow photos of soldiers coffins

#1
From NY Times article

(my bold)

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Mr. Gates, who said at the news conference that he was “never comfortable” with the ban, tried to get it overturned a year ago, but said he encountered resistance within the Pentagon and so, he said, “demurred.”

But after President Obama said earlier this month that he was considering lifting the ban, Mr. Gates once again sounded out senior officials at the Pentagon.

“I’ll be perfectly honest, there was a division in the building,” he said. But he said that a “very compelling memo” from the Army in favor of changing the policy was persuasive, particularly since most of the war dead in Iraq and Afghanistan served in the Army.

In the end, Mr. Gates said, he came to the conclusion that “we should not presume to make the decision for the families, we should let them make it.”

Under the new policy, photographs will not be permitted of coffins if the families say no.
 
#2
Mark my words, watch how these pictures immediately become propaganda.
 
#3
Goldbricker said:
Mark my words, watch how these pictures immediately become propaganda.
Banning photos of the coffins was an insult to the men and women who died fighting for their country.
 
#4
IT_Guy said:
Goldbricker said:
Mark my words, watch how these pictures immediately become propaganda.
Banning photos of the coffins was an insult to the men and women who died fighting for their country.
Then they were also insulted in World War One, World War Two, & Korea as well, yet no one whined about the need for the pictures then.

It wasnt until the Vietnam War that flag draped coffin pictures entered the Propaganda of the left. It was used purposefully as to lower morale, and for Political Cheapshots against whomever was President from then on.

As Someone who has Been present for Ramp ceremonies, Planeside Honors at home, burials, and knew some 2 dozen odd fallen brothers no one I talked with thought it insulting to not have the coffins front page.

When it becomes a T-Shirt logo of the radical lefties, Used on Prisonplanet.com, huffpo, Daily Kos, etc. then it is an Insult to my brothers, and then I do take umbrage.
 
#5
If the families give their okay, what is the problem with photographing the coffins? It is not a propaganda tool of the Left at all, but a way to show the American public the true cost of these wars.
 
#6
KevinB said:
If the families give their okay, what is the problem with photographing the coffins? It is not a propaganda tool of the Left at all, but a way to show the American public the true cost of these wars.
Very few of the Familiy's will, you never Served- so shove telling me what war costs, you've no clue. Your idea of war is to drop a $20 in a cup in a southie bar while listening to Black 47
 
#7
KevinB said:
If the families give their okay, what is the problem with photographing the coffins? It is not a propaganda tool of the Left at all, but a way to show the American public the true cost of these wars.
this isn't JUST the USA we're taking about. You're on a British website, so please treat us as such. UK and the US have many differencies of opinion as to what is right and to what is not. Regardless of opinions, each and every fallen should be treated with the same respect as the next one. If the families dont wish their fallen to shown on tv or the papers, then so be it. it should be respected.
 
#8
Muggle said:
KevinB said:
If the families give their okay, what is the problem with photographing the coffins? It is not a propaganda tool of the Left at all, but a way to show the American public the true cost of these wars.
this isn't JUST the USA we're taking about. You're on a British website, so please treat us as such. UK and the US have many differencies of opinion as to what is right and to what is not. Regardless of opinions, each and every fallen should be treated with the same respect as the next one. If the families dont wish their fallen to shown on tv or the papers, then so be it. it should be respected.
Yes, I am well aware of what site this is, Muggle, however, this is the American subforum and the article pertains only to US soldiers, "...the press will now be allowed to photograph the flag-draped coffins of America’s war dead as their bodies are returned to the United States — but only if their families agree."
 
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#9
Oh look,
Kevin B wants to see bodies coming home, you fu*cking IRA loving Prick.Why dont you go back to Ireland where you belong, Scum like you arent wanted anywhere else.
 
#10
i believe if the families agree, then it`s their call. The reason for the ban was to keep the public ignorant of the real life images of their dead young in this (Iraq) illegal adventure based on lies and theft.. Bush and cohorts could never have gotten away with their crimes if the public were able to see visceral and poignant images of those wasted young lives. Goldbricker, you`re starting to sound like your friend Gator. BTW, I HAVE served, so don`t try to tell me what`s what.
 
#11
Also, let the lefty uni bitches do what and wear what they want. And take their kickings accordingly. Can`t see how a t-shirt with a ramp cewremony on it will turn into a big propaganda coup for them any more than their precious keffiyehs are. They have every right to advertise what utter twhats they are.
 
#12
Flagrantviolator said:
The reason for the ban was to keep the public ignorant of the real life images of their dead young in this (Iraq) illegal adventure based on lies and theft..
The ban has been in place since 1991.
 
#13
Can anyone tell me whether the ban included individual coffins, for example prior to interment; or only to coffins en-masse, eg in an aircraft hold?

I can understand, but not necessarily agree, with a ban on groups of coffins-a bit like in WW1 when they cross-posted soldiers to other county regts in order to minimise the effect to morale of mass simultaneous casualties from one street or locality.
 
#14
LEGZ30 said:
Flagrantviolator said:
The reason for the ban was to keep the public ignorant of the real life images of their dead young in this (Iraq) illegal adventure based on lies and theft..
The ban has been in place since 1991.
Dont bring facts into the discussion, it just upsets them......

He'll counter that he meant Bush Senior the whole time, even though he was clueless of the policy.
 
#15
Goldbricker said:
LEGZ30 said:
Flagrantviolator said:
The reason for the ban was to keep the public ignorant of the real life images of their dead young in this (Iraq) illegal adventure based on lies and theft..
The ban has been in place since 1991.
Dont bring facts into the discussion, it just upsets them......

He'll counter that he meant Bush Senior the whole time, even though he was clueless of the policy.
Yes, and, like his son, did so because he thought photos of returning military dead could effect support for the war (first Gulf War).
 
#16
I meant successive governments since the whole war for oil strategy in the Middle east was embarked upon. Demoncrats are no better than Rrepugnicans. The entire US military-Industrial system is to blame, and Clinton was no better than any of the rest. Nor will Obama be, in my estimation. Clinton was just the rancid meat in a rotten, evil septic sandwich. Until the organ-grinders are thrown out, all their successive`trained monkeys will differ very little from eachother. Edited to say òh shit, did I just call Barack a monkey?!
 
#17
Seeing any coffin coming home is a tragedy for the families of the bereaved and the nation that has lost them. When I served in Iraq I was lucky I came home on a stretcher and not a coffin and that was bad enough, now my son is on ops and I dread every time the phone rings as I imagine every parent does but if anything ever happens to my son and god forbid it does not. I would have no objection to his return being on the TV or in the press I would be proud knowing at least his service would be recognised by the service and the nation.
 
#20
Precisely WHAT is complete and utter BS, O2 thief?

If there are any PNOKs who disapprove, then I would hope the families who do approve would stand down out of respect, as the harm done to the dissaproving PNOKs would be greater if the thing was shown than it would be to the others if it were NOT shown. Since you think my thoughts are bullshat, tell me yours. Or at least say what you think is shat, SepticMong
 

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