PC Andrew Harper.

I'm unclear about these 'guidelines' - are they rules that can't be broken, or are they just recomendations which can be adjusted according to the circumstances?

"125 Sentencing guidelines: duty of court
(1)Every court—
(a)must, in sentencing an offender, follow any sentencing guidelines which are relevant to the offender's case, and
(b)must, in exercising any other function relating to the sentencing of offenders, follow any sentencing guidelines which are relevant to the exercise of the function,unless the court is satisfied that it would be contrary to the interests of justice to do so."


The guidelines themselves to provide a lot of adjustments for the circumstances
 
With a single victim, a begrudging maybe but with his list of victims, you‘d like to think he will always be considered to a danger to the public by the parole board and thus be kept in prison until his dick falls off.

We can but hope.
Normally I’d like vermin like him to swing. But we don’t do that anymore here and also we need to keep our prison officers in a job.
So I’ll settle with his sentence. He’s got best part of 30 years. His family will probably all
be mostly dead by then and atleast he can’t pro create whilst he’s inside.
Just to add prisoners cannot currently have visits due to Covid and we’re having a heat wave here here.Let’s hope the air con isn’t working either. I also believe prisoners are on 23 hour lock up too.
Let this scum bag enjoy his sentence.
 
Normally I’d like vermin like him to swing. But we don’t do that anymore here and also we need to keep our prison officers in a job.
So I’ll settle with his sentence. He’s got best part of 30 years. His family will probably all
be mostly dead by then and atleast he can’t pro create whilst he’s inside.
Just to add prisoners cannot currently have visits due to Covid and we’re having a heat wave here here.Let’s hope the air con isn’t working either. I also believe prisoners are on 23 hour lock up too.
Let this scum bag enjoy his sentence.
Visits are happening in some jails at Governing Governors discretion providing that safety measures can be maintained. But obviously with greatly reduced numbers.
Skype visits are being rolled out across the estate. They've also got the "emailaprisoner" system.
And twenty three hour lock up could go on until early next year.

What fun.
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
Visits are happening in some jails at Governing Governors discretion providing that safety measures can be maintained. But obviously with greatly reduced numbers.
Skype visits are being rolled out across the estate. They've also got the "emailaprisoner" system.
And twenty three hour lock up could go on until early next year.

What fun.
The "emailaprisoner" system is not a raving success unfortunately but, one can still write letters (which is a good idea because a letter can be written like a diary) for those with close relatives.
 
Visits are happening in some jails at Governing Governors discretion providing that safety measures can be maintained. But obviously with greatly reduced numbers.
Skype visits are being rolled out across the estate. They've also got the "emailaprisoner" system.
And twenty three hour lock up could go on until early next year.

What fun.
Good God 23 hours a day? It's almost like we're curtailing their freedom of movement as a punishment!
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
The "emailaprisoner" system is not a raving success unfortunately but, one can still write letters (which is a good idea because a letter can be written like a diary) for those with close relatives.
You think these prisoners/family can ?
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer

BratMedic

LE
Book Reviewer
Lissie Harper is campaigning for ‘Andrew‘s Law‘, which would mean anyone convicted of killing a member of the emergency services would receive a mandatory life sentence.


i hope it gains traction, my only concern is that murder convictions, in such instances, may be less likely.

I‘d prefer to see sentences doubled for any offence against a member of the emergency services.
 

Mattb

LE
I‘d prefer to see sentences doubled for any offence against a member of the emergency services.
Why? Is it half as tragic if it had been the farmer or a good samaritan who'd tried to stop the crime and was killed in the same circumstances?
 
Why? Is it half as tragic if it had been the farmer or a good samaritan who'd tried to stop the crime and was killed in the same circumstances?
Yes.

Next.
 
Why? Is it half as tragic if it had been the farmer or a good samaritan who'd tried to stop the crime and was killed in the same circumstances?
It’s not about the person. It’s about trying to deter an attack on the state and allowing public servants to get on with their work for the benefit of the country.
 

goodoldboy

MIA
Book Reviewer
Why? Is it half as tragic if it had been the farmer or a good samaritan who'd tried to stop the crime and was killed in the same circumstances?
Clearly you don't put your life on the line every day - and your loved ones always know that you have a good chance of coming home when the working day finishes.
 
Why? Is it half as tragic if it had been the farmer or a good samaritan who'd tried to stop the crime and was killed in the same circumstances?
Yes, because you or I can choose to get involved or not. Members of the emergency services put themselves in danger so we don't have to.
 

Bob Upndown

War Hero
Well, see above. They're guidelines which are to be followed, unless there's a good reason not to.
If the judge had interpreted the sentencing ''guidelines'' in the same manner the firearms licencing teams in each county interpret the HO licencing ''guidelines'', all three would have swung...if only...
 
The "emailaprisoner" system is not a raving success unfortunately but, one can still write letters (which is a good idea because a letter can be written like a diary) for those with close relatives.
Why is it not a success?
It's cheaper & quicker than letters & a lot easier for staff to monitor & deal with in general.
 
Clearly you don't put your life on the line every day - and your loved ones always know that you have a good chance of coming home when the working day finishes.
Have you seen the kerfuffle since McDonalds reopened?
 

ancienturion

LE
Book Reviewer
Why is it not a success?
It's cheaper & quicker than letters & a lot easier for staff to monitor & deal with in general.
The software recognition is not all that is to be desired.
 

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