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PC Andrew Harper.

My bold.. if this prat Kidd had bothered to really study these people, he would note that the chiefs of Roma clans/tribes are self policing and don't use the legal establishment to prosecute wrong doers within the tribe but deal with it themselves, often in a much more "robust" way which ensures no re-offending aa shown on the program about them.
Plus any non Roma are "encouraged" to move away!



Under the traveller model, the 3 who killed PC Harper have ticked all the boxes and are now 'good men'.

They gave nothing away, gave nothing up, they stuck together, they didn't cry or show contrition, they acted like 'men'.
While the widow was crying the night of the judges pronouncement, rough men on campsites will have sat around fires drinking stolen beer and eating stolen steaks praising 'the lads' for doing the 'right' thing.

Alas, as the pronouncements from Senior plod in the aftermath show, the uniformed wing of Social Services simply doesn't understand the relentlessly violent and ingrained feral nature of the people they are dealing with.
 
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endure

GCM
Ironically the marriageable age in Romania is 18 and it requires both parental and judicial consent for a couple to get married at 16...
 

NSP

LE
Just heard on the radio that the sentences are going to be reviewed by the AG for "undue leniency."
 
Furthe from the Gruniad
But the fact that the case has been exploited by some quarters to stir up longstanding negative stereotypes has worried experts.

Colin Clark, a sociology professor at the University of the West of Scotland who has studied the UK Travelling community, said: “Some of the reporting on the case has suggested that being born a Traveller is a kind of criminal apprenticeship and that racist assumption needs to be challenged.”

Chris Kidd, a social work student at Bournemouth University who has carried out research for his MA into prejudice against Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities, also said that perceptions within the police and settled communities around higher crime rates were without substance.

Kidd points to a 2016 study in one area of Romania, which demonstrated that areas with higher Roma populations had lower levels of crime. He added that stereotypes – such as the alleged theft of children by Travelling communities – were prevalent as long ago as the 19th century.

Makes me think here we have anothe Rotherham in the wings. No one wants to stand up and say they ae wrong - except Channel 4 who had the balls to do a well constructed piece on these thiving cnuts

There's part of your problem, a bargain basement former polytechnic offering no pass no fee offers to foreign students with all the academic integrity of Dianne Abbott, so I would say his opinion is next to worthless.

I actually did my first degree there, had a nice student union.

Edit to add: The second "quote" is from a student who carried out some "research" as part of a non peer reviewed MA from another low tier university............
 
Not quite. The AG has been asked to review the sentences
Given that the judge apparently gave the maximum possible sentences within the guidelines it raises questions about how the sentences could be made harsher.

Unless there is some sort of review of the sentencing guidelines or minimum time before parole?
 
Not quite. The AG has been asked to review the sentences


And thats the sound of Human Rights lawyers salivating you hear
any attempt to retrospectively increase the maximum tariff they've already received will be straight to the SC claiming the new longer sentence is driven for a desire for vengeance, not justice
 
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Kidd, a social work student at Bournemouth University who has carried out research for his MA into prejudice against Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities, also said that perceptions within the police and settled communities around higher crime rates were without substance.

Kidd points to a 2016 study in one area of Romania, which demonstrated that areas with higher Roma populations had lower levels of crime. "

So he can discount all perceptions here, based on 1 survey 4 years ago in 1 part of Romania.......

Quite how stupid do you have to be to do "Social Sciences" nowadays....
 
At least a review is now being considered, some concern about the sentence that given, and the behaviour of the killers of PC Andrew Harper during the trial. No remorse was shown at all.
 
Given that the judge apparently gave the maximum possible sentences within the guidelines it raises questions about how the sentences could be made harsher.

Unless there is some sort of review of the sentencing guidelines or minimum time before parole?

I suspect that PC Harper's MP is in a "must be seen to do something" situation after receiving loads of mail on the subject and this is all, as a backbencher,, he can do
 

chrisg46

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Under the traveller model, the 3 who killed PC Harper have ticked all the boxes and are now 'good men'.

They gave nothing away, gave nothing up, they stuck together, they didn't cry or show contrition, they acted like 'men'.
While the widow was crying the night of the judges pronouncement, rough men on campsites will have sat around fires drinking stolen beer and eating stolen steaks praising 'the lads' for doing the 'right' thing.

Alas, as the pronouncements from Senior plod in the aftermath show, the uniformed wing of Social Services simply doesn't understand the relentlessly violent and ingrained feral nature of the people they are dealing with.

I recall reading of another prolific gang of traveller criminals who worked their around England robbing places. When eventually caught and heftily sentenced, one of the wives/girlfriends started shouting to the judge "please no, dont send them to jail, please dont do this!"
Similarly, in this case, numerous alibi's were provided and wall of silence erected. Why isnt such behaviour prosecuted as attempting to pervert the course of justice? Providing false alibi's is similar to perjury?
 

NSP

LE
Providing false alibi's is similar to perjury?
Misleading a police investigation, I think. Read something in the local rag a couple of years back about a woman who was done for it after lying to the police in a witness statement.
 
I suspect that PC Harper's MP is in a "must be seen to do something" situation after receiving loads of mail on the subject and this is all, as a backbencher,, he can do
Whilst the PC Harper case was obviously much more serious.
Remember this chap?
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Originally a two years suspended sentence. Upped to three and a half years inside as the original sentence was deemed unduly lenient. So "something could be done" perhaps?
 
And thats the sound of Human Rights lawyers salivating you hear
any attempt to retrospectively increase the maximum tariff they've already received will be straight to the SC claiming the new longer sentence is driven for a desire for vengeance, not justice

Hammer/Nail Interfaced successfully.

"Barman? Doubles all round and have one yourself!"
 
Sadly as I keep saying there are laws WHITE law abiding citizens adhere to in the main but the BAME can ignore at will, so plod will come down hard on the locals and probably post guards to protect the travelling fraternity!
Which laws can BAME individuals ignore at will? One of my team members at work wants to know.

She's currently hoping it's the one about paying tax on her annual bonus.
 
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Kidd, a social work student at Bournemouth University who has carried out research for his MA into prejudice against Gypsy, Roma and Traveller communities, also said that perceptions within the police and settled communities around higher crime rates were without substance.

Kidd points to a 2016 study in one area of Romania, which demonstrated that areas with higher Roma populations had lower levels of crime. "

So he can discount all perceptions here, based on 1 survey 4 years ago in 1 part of Romania.......

Quite how stupid do you have to be to do "Social Sciences" nowadays....

We also have the situation where, through political correctness, the thieving pikey's are called simply "travellers", this group also contains fairground workers, circus folk and Roma, all of whom are not the same.
This is similar to the mainly Pakistani grooming gangs simply being labelled as "Asian grooming gangs", by using political correctness to protect the culprits and deflect blame the great and good have just spread it over a larger number of people.......
 
And thats the sound of Human Rights lawyers salivating you hear
any attempt to retrospectively increase the maximum tariff they've already received will be straight to the SC claiming the new longer sentence is driven for a desire for vengeance, not justice
Vengeance & revenge?
No problem.
 

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