AIUI it can be all of those depending on the seriousness of the offence and if the defendant can afford to go private and pay for more prep timeGenuine question. How much time before a trial do the defence and prosecution counsel have in order to prepare themselves for a trial? Is it days, weeks, months or just a couple of hours?
Those lawyers are merely paying their dues before the big money starts to roll in, and everyone knows it. Kier Starmer QC is a multi-millionaire knight of the realm. Cherie Blair another extremely wealthy lefty lawyer.
You got a not unreasonable disagree for that comment (not from me I hasten to add) as there are various categories of manslaughter. Not all are the result of ‘causing death whilst committing a crime.That’s essentially what manslaughter is.
A murder conviction carries a mandatory life sentence with a minimum time to be served before parole eligibility set by the judge.
My short point, was that the offence he suggested is already covered by the offence of manslaughter. As with everything law wise in this country it is much more complex.You got a not unreasonable disagree for that comment (not from me I hasten to add) as there are various categories of manslaughter. Not all are the result of ‘causing death whilst committing a crime.
‘Unlawful act manslaughter’ is the one you needed.
Law is complex for a reason, as it’s based on precedent, do much so In criminal law. How ever the moon bowlers wanting to burn the convicted on a stake don’t get that.My short point, was that the offence he suggested is already covered by the offence of manslaughter. As with everything law wise in this country it is much more complex.
I did a quick Google and was actually surprised how many were killed.
Here's a quick sample.
Nicola bone and fiona Hughes 2012
Gareth Browning 2013
Ian Dibell 2012.
Andrew Duncan 2013.
David Phillips 2015
Also, Boris and Priti cannot stay disengaged from this outcome.
They have the power to do something about the fact that the judges discretion was limited.
I think a sentence of 24 years would have been vastly more appropriate - although still short as far as this callsign is concerned.
Reducing it and then adding on the 2/3rds rule must have been a double body blow for the family.
When I consider that i've spent 10 years in further education, the ringleader has close to that for killing a man in the most horrible way. That 11 years also reflects the fact it was an attack on a Police Officer - had you or I been killed in the same way they'd have recieved even less. Bit of fake remorse on top? Yep, lesser again. Got done for theft too - don't worry young man, that sentence can run concurrently.
It really is sickening and it's firmly in our court to insist that something be done. Where is the Home Secretary? I haven't heard hide nor hair from her in months?
A sadistic joke at the expense of a family who not only raised a great guy, intent on going into public service, but one whom subsequently lived his life in a honourable manner seeing his aspirations come to fruition. How they behaved with such grace evades me. A superhuman effort. Police up and down this country must be reeling. Why even bother with sentences like this?
The guy who called it in must also feel terrible. All this for the sake of a quadbike. So many lives destroyed by a well known group who openly don't give a ****. When are they going to be gripped? Again, it's up to us to insist they are. At the ballot box if necessary.
Genuinely upset by this. It's a win for the bad guys again and one more step on the decline of this once respected nation.
Woke? Me not likely, why didn’t you quote my call Sign?Ah but for the virtue signallers like "H74" it doesn't fit in with their "woke" agenda and such travesties will be strictly ignored and they will try to rewrite history to prove their fallacious points, as is happening all around the country at the moment!!
agreed, especially with the bolded bit. The Govt. with their large majority should be looking at many pathetic examples of our legal system and amending it to tighten up all the idiotic loopholes that allow such travesties!
If this was a case where there was reasonable doubt over the accused people's guilt I would agree with you.
That is not the case. The driver of the car pled guilty. They killed PC Harper and the defence lawyers knew that.
As far as I am aware (and happy to be corrected) there is no requirement for a barrister to take on a case ie. they are able to refuse to defend someone. The defence therefore chose to be there. Edit - I was wrong, see below about the cab rank rule.
What if they had found some loophole in the arrests? Would they have done their job and exploited that, knowing by doing so they would be setting killers free?
It makes me very uneasy that a sane, well educated individual can effectively suspend their moral compass and argue that black is white just because they are being paid to do so. Somehow I don't think their dedication to ensuring everyone receives a fair trial would outweigh their morals if it had been their family member dragged behind a car until dead.
Their argument would be that the law is black and white and that everyone is equal.
How they sleep at night however..
And not being one to ever suggest such a thing but.
I do hope that PC Harpers colleagues from all over the UK hound these scumbags families for the rest of their days. I do hope that some of their family members end up badly hurt needing the assistance of the emergency services, I hope that "Assistance" arrives just a little bit late.
Let's try and keep it accurate shall we? You posted:
Not entirely the anecdotal passing off of another's opinion that you've insinuated.
The concept of justice vs revenge is an interesting one. As members of a civilised society, we’re often told that vengeance is irrational and ultimately counter productive, and yet nation states still regularly engage in it. I believe there is a fundamental need to redress a balance whilst at the same time sending out a message that despicable behaviour will be punished condignly, regardless of whatever the liberals tell us. Expressions such as “It won’t bring back the deceased“ are mealy mouthed and espoused by the weak and pusillanimous. I also don’t believe that it’s possible to suspend ones moral compass for the sake of doing a job vis a vis some of the discussions recently on this thread. Our moral compass is what defines us as human beings, the idea that one can suspend this at will for a job requirement is one step away from befehl ist befehl in my opinion.It could be argued that would be 'revenge' or 'retribution', not 'justice'.
Justice would be holding them in cells until they are the age that poor PC Harper would have been when he could have retired. At that point they could be considered for release if they demonstrated guilt and remorse for killing PC Harper.