Paymaster mid C17th - status?

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  1. I’ve gotten sucked into tracing the life of a C17th soldier – something that takes me well outside my WW1 comfort zone – so I would be grateful for some help.

    I’ve done pretty well on his regular infantry service: enlists 1804 and promoted to Sgt the next day, Sgt Maj by 1810 and QM in 1812. Remains QM until 1839 when he is appointed paymaster of the Cape Mounted Rifles/Riflemen and holds that post until he dies, aged 63, in 1846. From the point he is appointed paymaster he is styled ‘Captain’. Is this normal for paymasters in this era?

    Also – does the audience include any deep experts on the 78[SUP]th[/SUP] Highlanders who might be able to answer a few additional queries?
     
  2. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
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    Paymasters weren't formalised into the Army structure until 1797 when officers could be gazzetted as such, the Army Pay Department wasn't created until 1878, the Paymasters of the APD were commissioned as Paymasters and held honorary rank.

    I have a History of the RAPC somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it out.
     
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  4. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
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    Found what I was looking for:
     
  5. Why am I envious?
     
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  6. That makes sense. Many, many thanks.

    The bond thing is interesting - he must have been 'saving' as QM.
     
  7. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
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    That's what I was thinking plus some wealthy pals.
     
  8. Yes - I wondered if his appointment to a colonial billet reflected someone important finding a sinecure for his old QM.

    This started off with some letters he wrote post-Waterloo (he wasn't actually on the field, his unit (2nd Bn 78th) were garrison troops at Nieupoort) and all we had to go on were his initials and that he was a QM in the 78th. He writes incredibly well but he doesn't appear to be from money, rather respectable crofting/small farming background. The problem is that he has, for the area and time, a very common name so his antecedents are difficult to establish.

    I think literacy was a factor in him being a 21 year old Sgt on his second day in the army - especially in a newly raised battalion (something like the way NCOs were found in Kitchener battalions in 1914).

    Next stop Fort George ...
     
  9. I believe Navy pursers had to put up a bond as well-the theory being that it deterred them from nicking the stores.
    It didn't work.
     
  10. Here is some tongue in cheek advice to Paymasters allegedly from a 1782 book which implies that the Paymaster is an "Officer"

    Advice to the Officers of the British Army (1782); Chapter 10 - To the Paymaster

    Samples include

    "Always grumble and make difficulties when officers go to you for money that is due to them; when you are obliged to pay them endeavour to make it appear granting them a favour, and tell them they are lucky dogs to get it."