Paying a 3% increase in NHS salaries... viable?

syrup

LE
For me part pf the problem is that it was announced on the day that they also announced that they were continuing the extra £20 a week universal credit
You're effectively paying people another £80 a month to do nothing which they were doing anyway so how has the cost of that risen and St Marcus of Rashford is also feeding their kids for free.

I'm sure all of us wouldn't mind £80 a week after tax in our wages
We've worked right through (Transport & Logistics) all the lockdowns and have been told no bonus or wage rise this year and possibly next year.
People who don't like it can leave but there's not many recruiting I would think there will be very few private nursing jobs paying £48k

Give the frontline nurses (not admin staff, managers etc etc) £80 per month and take it back in tax
 
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Mrs is a senior nurse on 48K a year. However, it's salary she gets no overtime and during Covid has been doing 14 hours a day 6 days a week at the peak.
I'm a band 2, yet as a courier driver I can go into multiple locations that are Covid Red delivering stuff.

The NHS is going to haemorrhage staff massively in a very short time, people WILL leave the organisation because they know they are not respected or valued.
Are all the doors locked where she works? Is she handcuffed to a radiator? Why doesn't she just leave to a better job with better pay and conditions? I think we both know the genuine reason.
I'm sick of hearing about the heroes of the NHS.
There are millions of people on minimum wage doing jobs that bring them into direct contact of hundreds of strangers on a daily basis who don't get anything like the protection NHS staff do
NHS staff are nowhere near the top of the list of people who are getting covid as a result of their employment.
There’s also millions of people who are suffering great financial hardship and losing their business "to protect the NHS" so forgive me if I don't shed a tear for relatively well paid people in safe employment with a decent pension to look forward to.

Don't like it? Work somewhere else


Healthcare workers, including those with jobs such as doctors and nurses, were not found to have higher rates of death involving COVID-19 when compared with the rate among those whose death involved COVID-19 of the same age and sex in the general population.
 
Frontline staff get a pay rise, nurses, HCA, Logistics, catering staff etc.
The vast majority of managers etc have been at home where its safe working from an NHS provided laptop.
 
[...] just waiting for the carnage once the pubs open and an entire years wankerdom spills out all at once.

We in the council are not looking forward to the next two months in regards to this. When the shops re-open it's going to be mental. But I suspect the Police are going to have more 'fun' when the nightlife steps up. Wouldn't be surprised to see a leave ban arriving for them.
 
Are all the doors locked where she works? Is she handcuffed to a radiator? Why doesn't she just leave to a better job with better pay and conditions? I think we both know the genuine reason.
I'm sick of hearing about the heroes of the NHS.
There are millions of people on minimum wage doing jobs that bring them into direct contact of hundreds of strangers on a daily basis who don't get anything like the protection NHS staff do
NHS staff are nowhere near the top of the list of people who are getting covid as a result of their employment.
There’s also millions of people who are suffering great financial hardship and losing their business "to protect the NHS" so forgive me if I don't shed a tear for relatively well paid people in safe employment with a decent pension to look forward to.

Don't like it? Work somewhere else


Healthcare workers, including those with jobs such as doctors and nurses, were not found to have higher rates of death involving COVID-19 when compared with the rate among those whose death involved COVID-19 of the same age and sex in the general population.
She's been a nurse since she was 18 years old. She has climbed the ladder to get where she is through dedication and hard work. Nursing isn't just "AJob" it's a way of life, much like soldiering. Yes there's good nurses, there's some mediocre ones who shouldn't be allowed near a hospital as well.
 

AlienFTM

MIA
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Nice to see that Jin Sahota, the (£230k pa) CEO of the NHS supply chain has fallen on his sword after ‘criticism’ of his handling of the COVID crisis. It seems it wasn’t actually Boris (grrr) who was supposed to be organising PPE supplies...
Jin Sahota resigns from NHS Supply Chain role
I remember seeing a report that they CPXed (TEWTed? ) a pandemic a handful of years ago which demonstrated that PPE Logistics was an NHS task, not a government task, and when it all went Pete Tong a year ago, I got flak on Facebook for pointing this out.

I'd just like to say this.

Nah nah nah nah nah.
 
She's been a nurse since she was 18 years old. She has climbed the ladder to get where she is through dedication and hard work. Nursing isn't just "AJob" it's a way of life, much like soldiering. Yes there's good nurses, there's some mediocre ones who shouldn't be allowed near a hospital as well.
Wondered how long the "it's not a job its a vocation" card, would take to be deployed.
Not very was the answer.
 
Mrs is a senior nurse on 48K a year. However, it's salary she gets no overtime and during Covid has been doing 14 hours a day 6 days a week at the peak.
I'm a band 2, yet as a courier driver I can go into multiple locations that are Covid Red delivering stuff.

The NHS is going to haemorrhage staff massively in a very short time, people WILL leave the organisation because they know they are not respected or valued.
Would you like to comment on the members of the Armed Forces that have worked alongside said NHS...and will get zilch.

Want to tell my 'bin men' who worked through the whole pandemic,or the 'postperson's'...ditto. How about the nasty policemen,who've had to deal with rioters,sorry demonstrators,who have spat in their faces.

How about,3 years ago the NHS agreed a 3 year deal,on the understanding that this year they would get 2.5%?

Emotive shite being bandied about by the great unwashed,because...they're nurses,without realising it's THE WHOLE of the NHS !

My question will always be...where's the money coming from and,why is the NHS anymore special than all the other people who have worked their nut's off over the last 12 months ?

Respect have never been dependent on what you're paid...only fragile egos make that mistake !
 
I'm a band 2, yet as a courier driver I can go into multiple locations that are Covid Red delivering stuff.

The NHS is going to haemorrhage staff massively in a very short time, people WILL leave the organisation because they know they are not respected or valued.

No offence mate, but they can replace van drivers faster than than you can quit.
 
HCA`s being the worst , more work and urgency in a tortoise.
my own experience is totally the opposite,, it`s the degree level nurses who turn their noses up and say "not my job, get a minion to do it"
When I was in the Royal London an HCA was doing obs. I asked where the nurses and sisters were. He said they were "Having a rest." He'd been left in charge of a whole ward with around 20 bays, 6 beds to a bay.
While there's no doubt nurses do a good job, they all aren't always the angels we say they are. I can't see where any special treatment comes in. They are paid to tend to the sick.
My daughter is a nurse and has a couple of days bank nursing at a lovely rate and has, in the past, phoned in sick NHS and gone to do a bank shift at Southend Hospital. :cool:
 
Would you like to comment on the members of the Armed Forces that have worked alongside said NHS...and will get zilch.

Want to tell my 'bin men' who worked through the whole pandemic,or the 'postperson's'...ditto. How about the nasty policemen,who've had to deal with rioters,sorry demonstrators,who have spat in their faces.

How about,3 years ago the NHS agreed a 3 year deal,on the understanding that this year they would get 2.5%?

The police at least get kit, laws and training to deal with the rowdy sods. The council and Covid marshals have a fancy hi-vis vest. Now, go break up that group of 20x Street drinkers who are pissed, and having a barney amongst themselves.
Is there any uniform C/S around?
Nope, the local team is all isolating as one of them caught CV19.
How many people can we put our hands on?
Six. Including the two Cv19 Marshals (who, fair play to them, albeit total lack of self preservation) went and tried to have chat with the group about social distancing and got chased down the street. Wait, its now four, as two of the Cv19 marshals have decided its lunch time.



But anyway, time to avoid digression, lets look at the 2018 pay deal:

The figure of 6.5% is a minimum and the lowest paid NHS staff can expect a maximum pay rise of up to 29% over the next three years.
 
From about 2003 I was working in the private sector. My pay remained largely static (it actually decreased by 17p over that time, but this was from site transfers) until a site finally gave us a 1% pay rise. Which two months later was increased as the minimum wage cap increase moved it up by 2p.

To me getting a year on year guaranteed pay rise doesn't sound too bad. If they dislike it so much feel free to try the private sector and see how things go.
NHS doesn't give that though. Annual increments stop after 6ish years
 

syrup

LE
When I was in the Royal London an HCA was doing obs. I asked where the nurses and sisters were. He said they were "Having a rest." He'd been left in charge of a whole ward with around 20 bays, 6 beds to a bay.
While there's no doubt nurses do a good job, they all aren't always the angels we say they are. I can't see where any special treatment comes in. They are paid to tend to the sick.
My daughter is a nurse and has a couple of days bank nursing at a lovely rate and has, in the past, phoned in sick NHS and gone to do a bank shift at Southend Hospital. :cool:


I took my mother for some cancer treatment during the first and this lockdown.
Not knocking in any way the staff they've been fantastic
But she get's an appointment and what time she should arrive (don't arrive more than 15 minutes before hand etc)
I took her across to Leeds for her appointment.
I sat in a little waiting area masked up while she was in
Two "nurses" (blue scrubby uniform - not sure if that's a nurse) sat at a station and discussed holidays and life
No masks no social distancing having a pretty easy day of it the whole place was deserted
Another nurse arrived so one could go away for a break.

Now I have no doubt that some where there were people in the NHS in full NBC battling to save lives and having a tough time but it's not right across the whole NHS..
I also bumped into a nurse I knew from ages back out shopping
That was a surprise because I thought they had to live out of foodbanks or bins.
Pointed this out but was told they've never had it so good
As pointed out above by @Old Stab 6 x 14 hour shifts
6 shift though is banked hours on top money earns as much on a weekend as some people do during the week.
Don't even have to queue she waved her NHS lanyard and straight in even at B & Q just in case she need emergency DIY.

Frontline - yes NHS blanket rise - no
Maybe they could give the Frontline staff an increment so just they get it
 
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happyuk

War Hero
Covid made it pretty clear we exist to serve the NHS not the other way round. Socialised medicine is an utter drain on our GDP.
Bet they regret those silly tiktok videos now.
 

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