And once again most of the trade's have been robbed.
if you take a look at the job every trade does and the knowledge and time we've had to take in during trade training (except the new drivers) sorry no offense.
how can the army justify giving the infantry the high bad pay? ok, i would have to agree when there in a war zone as the job they have to do. Why should people study these days when the armd forces pay the infantry on the high band. could this be the reason why the Royal signals is going down hill and has been for many years now?
i think the armd forces should reconsider the Royal Signals pay, and pay every trade on the high band system. They may find that more people will join the Royal Signals and make up the numbers that they are down. what do you think???
Am ex-signals, and now infantry. Several reasons as to why the infantry get paid at the higher band. The training when all is said and done is long enough in itself. Once each and every phase is completed you're talking the guts of 9-10 months in some cases just to bring a brand new infantryman up to basic standard prior to posting to his battalion. Also, promotion is awarded to those that can command, not simply based on trade skills. It's a recruitment and retention issue at the end of the day.
Don't begrudge the infantry their wages, they work hard enough for it, in peacetime, and especially on operations.
It was agreed at this years pay review that signals should get a higher band than currently available. However as the current pay system does not allow this as the computers can't handle it they brought in the financial incentive bonus for doing nearly every Trade course at Blandford. Even Class 3 get 2.5k, Class 1, 5k and Supervisor/YofS/FofS 10k. Bit unfair on those of us who are Class 1 already. Just another kick in the ass for the old timers.
Glasgow get your stupid computers sorted and make it fair for everyone, for once in the history of the British Army.
I personally believe the fundamental floor is that you cannot adequately cover all the trades etc within the Army with just two pay bands. Everyone can, and will, justify their own pay or have reasons why they should be paid more ..... an obvious thing to consider from the Signals point of view is 'Why dont we get comms pay??'.
These financial incentives are, as has been said, a farce. Everything seems to be directed towards those that are joining the forces and those already in are forgotten about as usual, what they seem to be blind to is the retention issue. I believe that is a far bigger problem than the recruitment issue, please tell me if im wrong.
Anyway, im gonna get down from my soap box now and let someone else have a rant.
I agree with everything already said. It has been well documented that the Armys main problem is retention, not recruitment.
What sort of message does it send out to those of us who are already class 1 when they reward the new guys but not us. Sounds like a 2 finger salute to me. Obviously if youve been doing the job for a while and showed loyalty by staying in(anybody else remember the mass exodus to Civvy comms companies in the late 90's) the Army don't need to give you incentive.
As discussed in another forum the sprogs now a days are just not trained to standard, yet now we are told they are getting a pay incentive for getting class 3? Bunch of Arrse.
Anybody fancy a military Coup?
I think we should do what the fire brigade did and strike.
Or why dont we have a military rebellion. come on fellas weve got all the guns and s**t. no-one would stop us. f**king no ones got any guns apart from the cops but we can take them down.
Lets do it lets have a military led government and then all the squaddies get paid loads. we will then get a massive budget and get kitted out with up to date new gear.
then invade a s**t country like denmark or iceland.
the future is bright. the future is green.
Nah mate you got it all wrong......the futures bright all right but its orange!!the only way to a decent pay rise in this gaff is to move on! By the time the idiots in the Puzzle Palace in Glasgow catch on it'll be way too late. FRI's are helping retention apparently but we are still losing the old gits who know what they're doing. Oh well bring on the dancing horses...
this argument has been going on for a long time, the pay we all get is the minimum the government can get away with paying us. Yes its enough to get the beers in but its no good when you get past 25 and start worrying about where you are gonna live when you finally get out. I got to 28 and decided i wasnt gonna go on the council waiting list. All your peps and endowment policies are worthless. have a look at how much money they ARE'NT making! the only thing that is making money is property and if your hanging around waiting for the price to come down...its time to wake up from your dreams. the army retention system is a joke especially when they say "oh your 5 and 8 year money, well your not gonna get it after all" my advivce? do 6 years and get out, alternatively buy your property and rent it out whilst your away,or if you enjoy the job, do what i did, get out, double your salary and join the T.A. (everyone likes free pencil batteries)
Scan some of the recruitment papers and see how much they are paying graduate brain surgeons with a masters in polymer design and astrophysics....f**k all!
Salaries generally are piss poor at the moment and the "£40K per annum for a class 2 tech with 5 minutes experience, jumping ship into the mobile phone industry" bubble has certainly well and truly burst.
I personally will miss my regular salary and discounted housing when I am on the scrap heap at 40. Grass is always greener etc, etc.....
I'm with you snarley, when our pay, with the security and fringe benefits, are compared against contemporary groups out thre in the hard world we look pretty good. Housing is a problem and we do need to lobby harder for btter provision for our soldiers at the end of their 22 yr engagements or perhaps more importantly those leaving after shorter engagements. The defence industry is certainly not queuing up to buy people out at the front gate at the moment and it continues to downsize on a daily basis.....I would suggest count your chickens and be realistic mes amies