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Pay Scales - Officers vs Soldiers

Cowhead said:
Officers have all done the same training at RMAS and tend to do roughly the same sort of job (although I'd argue a Troop Leader in command of 3 tanks in combat or the Plt Comd on ops does rather more than some of the more sedate tasks carried out at the rear). Therefore we all get paid the same pay scales.

What a whole 3 (THREE) tanks? Wow! And one of those commanded by the Tp Sgt. Furthermore, I think you'll find that not only does a Sapper Troop Comd do things at the sticky end (aswell as elsewhere) he (or she) has done a far longer and intellectually more demanding Tp Comd's Cse post RMAS and will often be commanding a troop that is as big or bigger (in terms of numbers of vehs and personnel) than an Armd Corps Sqn.
 
Oh grow up, no one likes listening to self important sappers going on and on about how great they are. I merely made reference to the fact that the combat arms often work harder than the echelon troops whilst in combat. I am not doubting you probably have more CR's to write than I do, I am truly jealous.

Whilst we are on this vein of sh*t chat which you have now started, tell me how digging holes or getting your bridge to the wrong place half an hour late to just sit and watch your soldiers do all the hard work is seen as doing stuff at the "sticky end"?

How long is your Special To Arms course then? Far longer than 6 months? I don't think so...
 
If by "work hard" u mean following their Tp Sgt and Cpls around wishing they had stayed at home with Mummy then I take your point. Is a "Special to Arms Course" some kind of medical programme involving the application of extra limbs?

Come back when u can count to ten and spell words bigger than "cat".
 
Quality joke, do they teach you that at Frimley too? Appears they've neglected to teach humour properly aswell as map reading and armoured recon skills. Useless.

Anyway, I realise this is purile and refuse to lower myself any further by responding to your comments. Enjoy your chieftain...
 
Cowhead said:
although I'd argue a Troop Leader in command of 3 tanks in combat or the Plt Comd on ops does rather more than some of the more sedate tasks carried out at the rear). Therefore we all get paid the same pay scales.

You sir, are an utter CNUT!

Would they be the same 3 heavily armoured and armed 3 tanks that SA and AT rounds simply bounce off?

The same Tp that has 20-odd well motivated tps that is NCO heavy committed to a single unified task?

Not 50-80 tps of wildy different backgrounds and abilities with differing CEGs, but who look to the same Tp HQ for leadership and direction?

I suggest you look to current op theatres and see what some of the more 'sedate' tasks actually consist of?

If you still don't get it, feel free to jump into a soft skinned vehicle, or fuel tanker, AKA mobile-firebomb-on-wheels and join in on a log op - or as you call it a 'sedate task!'
 
zyonchaos said:
Or the new one the RAF has just brought in. Multi-Job still crap pay

So if you were on the lower pay band (the non techy one) and have now become part of the new Trade Group 4 which turned us from Communications Operators to Operator Maintainers they will still pay us the same crap low wage despite forcing us through another ten weeks of teaching us to pass exams at cosford before sending us back to commcens
Its great honest!!!

I have just spoke to a mate of mine who has recently completed his 10 week conversion course from Peanut to Techy at Cosford and he informs me that he has now moved up to high band and a very happy chap his is to.

Sparky
 
Cowhead said:
Quality joke, do they teach you that at Frimley too? Appears they've neglected to teach humour properly aswell as map reading and armoured recon skills. Useless.

Anyway, I realise this is purile and refuse to lower myself any further by responding to your comments. Enjoy your chieftain...

Frimley? errr struggling to make that particular connection but I'm sure you know what you mean.

As for chieftain, do the words "TROJAN" or "TITAN" mean anything to you? Probably not as u r clearly an ill-informed cretin.

Just take a quick look at which parts of the Army are most committed to Ops and you will realise that RE, RLC, RAMC etc etc contribute far more than you and your 'stuck in the Cold War' mates. Just do as your Tp Sgt tells you there's a good boy.
 
Ethel_the_Aardvark said:
...do the words "TROJAN" or "TITAN" mean anything to you? Probably not as u r clearly an ill-informed cretin.

They sure do, just I tend not to get too excited about things that have yet to be bought into active service, but then again i don't tend to get excited by anything with a dozer blade instead of a main armament.

I'm sorry you reduce me to this, I have the utmost respect for everyone in the Army and I fully understand that everyone works as a team to get the job done. I just find it difficult to take flak from a stuck up sapper who thinks it's fair game to say that all Armoured commanders do is follow each other around the battlefield, when in real terms all armoured engineers do is follow us around or our close recce brethren, albeit very slowly and with lots of ticking and whinging...

Boggy_Loggy - cheers for the opening line of your reply, sets up the entire rest of your post to be read in a very pro RLC light. Well done you.

As to your points that you have raised I totally agree - i have a fairly good knowledge of the dangers you face as a log convoy because I am one of the callsigns that will be providing the intimate convoy escort for you boys out on TELIC 9, and no that's not in one of my so-called invincible CR2, it's in a Snatch.

I am not on this particular thread to start a "look at me i'm in a combat arm therefore I am ace" type discussion I was merely pointing out that we do different jobs and some may argue that there are varying degres of difficulty in our respective jobs. I did not at any point mention the Engineers or the Logistical Corps, just seems a shame you felt so threatened that you had to jump up and start defending yourselves...
 
Ethel_the_Aardvark said:
Come back when u can count to ten and spell words bigger than "cat".

Stones, glass houses, kettles and pots.

Judging by your posts you seem to be struggling with words as big as cat, words such as "you" and "are".

Sorry, just being a pedantic twat. :)
 
Here's an idea; why not keep the thread on topic instead of turning it into a pissing match over whos the best corps/best at spelling/got the biggest knob?
 
amazing__lobster said:
I thought it was to do with the different jobs undertaken by soldiers - e.g. a draughtsman has a more technical job than a postman.

Whereas officers do roughly the same type of managerial type work no matter what the cap badge.

I think A_L has pretty much answered it in the first response. Then it descended into a pi$$ing match!
 
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