Pay Rise 2008/09

#1
Mid way through February and no mention of pay rise. In the current economic climate is it possible that no pay rise with be forthcoming this year?
 
#2
I'm sure I saw someone in here on another thread stating/speculating that the minimum allowed annual increase in the public sector was 2.5%. I'd love to believe it but don't hold out much hope for its correctness.

And no, I haven't seen or heard anything on the subject. Anyone out there with better info?
 
#3
from "Top Level Messages" disseminated to us last week

• Pay: A 2.6% pay rise, which sees, for the second year running, the pay increase for the Armed Forces being amongst the highest in the public sector. There was also a 1% increase in the X-Factor this year.
 
#4
i will beleive that when i see it.
 

Legs

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#6
With inflation at 0.1%, I can't see a decent rise coming our way.

What happens if/when we get to Deflation? Do we get pay cuts?
 
#7
I like them saying "a 1% increase in the 'X' factor as though it means something.

I hope they are mis-reporting and mean that a full 1% will be added to the salary, rather than a 1% increase to the x factor (1% of 14% = búgger all increase in final salary).
 
#8
Legs said:
With inflation at 0.1%, I can't see a decent rise coming our way.

What happens if/when we get to Deflation? Do we get pay cuts?
Please Legs, don't admit in public that you have fallen for the lie that inflation is 0.1%.

RPI (the figure you quote) is now meaningless.

CPI is a little better, but is also massaged so much to be almost meaningless.

The drop in fuel prices has been over-emphasised in the data, and the 'basket of goods' used to see price increases (or decreases) from the shops bears no resemblance to normal people's shopping habbits: unless you are in the habit of buying an iPod and plasma tv every month!

Inflation varies for almost every demographic, but all official figures exclude the effects of taxation (for some reason). If you are a homeowner and working, your current rate of inflation is about 9%. If you are a homeowner and a pensioner then the rate increases to over 12%. Mainly caused by massive increases in Council Tax and pathetically small rises in the monthly pension payments. If the fall in property prices were to be added to the correct side of the equation then inflation would be even higher

The CPI and RPI also fail to include: mortgage payments, electricity and other utility charges (which have risen by an average of over 35% in the last 8 months), and the contents of the basket of goods used is regularly manipulated to exclude those experiencing a price increase e.g. wine (increasing over 10% in price due to weaker currency).

Wait for cars to be included with data compared to data collected 12 months ago (cars are now much cheaper, but who is buying any at the moment?).
 
#9
You will find that the 2.6% plus 1% X Factor was last years award.
 

Legs

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#10
Dread said:
Legs said:
With inflation at 0.1%, I can't see a decent rise coming our way.

What happens if/when we get to Deflation? Do we get pay cuts?
Please Legs, don't admit in public that you have fallen for the lie that inflation is 0.1%.

RPI (the figure you quote) is now meaningless.

CPI is a little better, but is also massaged so much to be almost meaningless.

The drop in fuel prices has been over-emphasised in the data, and the 'basket of goods' used to see price increases (or decreases) from the shops bears no resemblance to normal people's shopping habbits: unless you are in the habit of buying an iPod and plasma tv every month!

Inflation varies for almost every demographic, but all official figures exclude the effects of taxation (for some reason). If you are a homeowner and working, your current rate of inflation is about 9%. If you are a homeowner and a pensioner then the rate increases to over 12%. Mainly caused by massive increases in Council Tax and pathetically small rises in the monthly pension payments. If the fall in property prices were to be added to the correct side of the equation then inflation would be even higher

The CPI and RPI also fail to include: mortgage payments, electricity and other utility charges (which have risen by an average of over 35% in the last 8 months), and the contents of the basket of goods used is regularly manipulated to exclude those experiencing a price increase e.g. wine (increasing over 10% in price due to weaker currency).

Wait for cars to be included with data compared to data collected 12 months ago (cars are now much cheaper, but who is buying any at the moment?).
Dread, all true and acknowledged.

However it is the RPI that our pay rises are based on - 'massaged' by HMG or not. So my statement still holds water, and my question still remains.
 
#11
We're not getting a pay rise. Just wothless shares in another bank that the Government has bailed out.
 
#12
To be honest, I cannot see anything above 1.5% if anything at all. With all the money being thrown at banks and industry, and unemployment nearing 3 mill the Gov wont want the public outcry if we get anything bigger
 
#13
drain_sniffer said:
To be honest, I cannot see anything above 1.5% if anything at all. With all the money being thrown at banks and industry, and unemployment nearing 3 mill the Gov wont want the public outcry if we get anything bigger
Would aid further recruiting if the general public thought we were getting it good.
 
#14
dingerr said:
drain_sniffer said:
To be honest, I cannot see anything above 1.5% if anything at all. With all the money being thrown at banks and industry, and unemployment nearing 3 mill the Gov wont want the public outcry if we get anything bigger
Would aid further recruiting if the general public thought we were getting it good.
In a recession I dont think we need any further help with recruiting. Just the fact of a regular income is enough
 
#15
It is OK as I'm paid too much and do not want any more. Please give extra to the poor children who at the age of 13 now have children of their own! Oh and please do not forget all MPs who are so underpaid that they HAVE to fiddle as much out of the system as they can!!
 
#16
drain_sniffer said:
dingerr said:
drain_sniffer said:
To be honest, I cannot see anything above 1.5% if anything at all. With all the money being thrown at banks and industry, and unemployment nearing 3 mill the Gov wont want the public outcry if we get anything bigger
Would aid further recruiting if the general public thought we were getting it good.
In a recession I dont think we need any further help with recruiting. Just the fact of a regular income is enough
Your trade may be fine. Have a look at others.

Mine's considerably fucked!

The more people through the ACIO door, the pickier we can be. (Providing we are PC of course)
 
#17
I believe a lot of trades are not doing to well (VM springs to mind) but in a time of recession, recruiting figures always go up. I just dont believe the Gov can afford to give us any more money, for both political and financial reasons - nore do they want to give us any more.

I am quite prepared to be wrong on this though if my pay packet was to increase!
 
#18
Dread said:
Legs said:
but all official figures exclude the effects of taxation (for some reason).

The CPI and RPI also fail to include: mortgage payments, electricity and other utility charges (which have risen by an average of over 35% in the last 8 months), and the contents of the basket of goods used is regularly manipulated to exclude those experiencing a price increase e.g. wine (increasing over 10% in price due to weaker currency).
Wow, almost, but not quite, totally wrong :)
RPI includes Council Tax (CPI doesn't), though they both exclude income tax but indirectly include VAT/duty
They both include utility costs
The basic version of RPI includes mortgage interest payments (but not capital)
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/articles/nojournal/cpi_basket_article_2008.pdf
 
#19
Poacher said:
You will find that the 2.6% plus 1% X Factor was last years award.
ah well, in that case i apologise. how misleading of them to put it out just last week, under the heading "top level messages feb 2009"! sneaky bastards.
 
#20
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
Poacher said:
You will find that the 2.6% plus 1% X Factor was last years award.
ah well, in that case i apologise. how misleading of them to put it out just last week, under the heading "top level messages feb 2009"! sneaky bastards.
• Pay: A 2.6% pay rise, which sees, for the second year running, the pay increase for the Armed Forces being amongst the highest in the public sector. There was also a 1% increase in the X-Factor this year.

I think the 1% X Factor increase is the one that came into effect in the current financial year, so the one announced last year. 2.6% sounds ok; I can't ever remember the headline figure of any AFPR being weaselled away in a document like this before being formally announced????
 

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