Pay our soldiers more

#1
At the risk of the "dripping" accusation, saw this and figured that the bad news just keeps coming for HMG.

The following by Brian Brady in The Independant on Sunday

Any comparisons from previous surveys?

Voters have overwhelmingly backed the British Army's operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and called for a pay rise for troops, a Ministry of Defence survey has revealed.

The study shows that more than three-quarters of the 1,000 people surveyed believe that the Army is doing a good job abroad but say that soldiers are not getting enough support at home.

One in four want higher wages for soldiers – trained privates take home just over £16,700 – and warn that troops need better equipment and higher standards of housing.

Almost half of those surveyed believe that the British Army looks after its injured soldiers but a third disagreed, and while 42 per cent said that the Army looks after its veterans, 35 per cent disagreed.

There was overwhelming approval for overseas operations – with 78 per cent agreeing that the Army was doing a "good job" in Afghanistan and 74 per cent praising its role in Iraq.

The Ipsos Mori survey is carried out twice a year to chart the attitude of Britons to the Army.

A report commissioned by the Chief of Staff, General Sir Richard Dannatt, has found that many soldiers are living in poverty.
 
#2
But if soldiers get more pay...

where do we find all the money for the doleys

and one legged, blind, lesbian, welsh speaking, muslim, trans-sexual single mother, primary carer for her gay, deaf, Urdu speaking husband, 5 a day preaching, nappy advising youth outreach worker, ´who operate out of an OAP home?
 
#3
£10k a year extra to All Ranks. And to pay for it, tax the Poor on their Dole handouts. That way they'll all have to stop smoking, stop spending all day in the pub and walk instead of getting Taxi's. Not that I'm stereotyping dosser's, but that seems to paint a picture of all the ones I've seen.

And that's £10k across the board, not over 3 years, not just to Privates, but to every fcuker.
 
#4
The study shows that more than three-quarters of the 1,000 people surveyed believe that the Army is doing a good job abroad but say that soldiers are not getting enough support at home.
Very true, not saying it's wrong, but the Government has concentrated so much on operations overseas they are forgetting about troops who aren't. The biggest reason for most of the people I know who have signed off is because of the money, its not enough when your not on ops and with the cost of living in the UK rising, it's not going to get any easier.
 
#5
If Soliders are paid more....

How will the MPs survive on their reduced saleries and expenses? How would the officers of parliment redecorate their offices and appartments? How would they afford huge second homes in London?
 
#6
chocolate_frog said:
How will the MPs survive on their reduced saleries and expenses? How would the officers of parliment redecorate their offices and appartments? How would they afford huge second homes in London?
Now, now. You're talking as if they were paying for it all. I doubt it'd worry them in the slightest.
 
#7
chocolate_frog said:
If Soliders are paid more....

How will the MPs survive on their reduced saleries and expenses? How would the officers of parliment redecorate their offices and appartments? How would they afford huge second homes in London?

by introducing the 'burden uniformed members' fee (not a tax) or BUM for short. This way the anyone who is paid for wearing a uniform can be bummed for an extra 10k a year.
 
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#8
heard_it_all_before said:
£10k a year extra to All Ranks. And to pay for it, tax the Poor on their Dole handouts. That way they'll all have to stop smoking, stop spending all day in the pub and walk instead of getting Taxi's. Not that I'm stereotyping dosser's, but that seems to paint a picture of all the ones I've seen.

And that's £10k across the board, not over 3 years, not just to Privates, but to every fcuker.
And thenjust watch the public sector kick off.

10 out of 10 for ambition though!
 
#9
It'll be the usual, decent pay rise for the 'poverty stricken' Ptes and 2Lts, the rest of us - 2.5%
 
#10
Where do you seriously expect any extra pay to come from? I suppose if enough people leave we could share out the wages they would have drawn. The treasury isn't going to magic up extra for the MOD (it would be a different story if the MOD was a bank that couldn't make decent financial decisions though)
 
#11
theoriginalphantom said:
Where do you seriously expect any extra pay to come from? I suppose if enough people leave we could share out the wages they would have drawn. The treasury isn't going to magic up extra for the MOD (it would be a different story if the MOD was a bank that couldn't make decent financial decisions though)
Wake up and smell the roses mate.....

One avenue we could look at saving money....

LONDON (Thomson Financial) - The UK's contribution to the European Union budget is set to double in the coming years, according to a study by independent think tank Global Vision.

The study, based on recent estimates, says the UK will make net annual contributions of almost 6.5 bln stg in the years 2011 to 2013, double the average figure from 1997-2006, reflecting a smaller rebate and weaker receipts

Another avenue.......

Tunis, 27 November 2007 - The United Kingdom announced on Tuesday, 27 November 2007 that it is doubling its contribution to the 11th replenishment of the African Development Fund (ADF XI), the first shareholder to do so. The UK contribution will be £417 million, approximately US$ 863 million, and effectively twice the amount of its contribution from the previous replenishment.

Douglas Alexander the UK International Development Secretary made the announcement whilst on a visit to Tanzania.

There are lots of other ways but cannot be Arrsed googling anymore as I am watching James Bond
 
#12
But the government won't save money in any of those places its too busy trying to be a big player on the international stage when all we are now is the equal to a local amateur dramatics society playing panto. So where will they get the cash from? not much left to sell (How much could we get for Wales?)


edited to add, I'd love some extra money though.
 
#13
ABrighter2006 said:
At the risk of the "dripping" accusation, saw this and figured that the bad news just keeps coming for HMG.

The following by Brian Brady in The Independant on Sunday

Any comparisons from previous surveys?

Voters have overwhelmingly backed the British Army's operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and called for a pay rise for troops, a Ministry of Defence survey has revealed.

The study shows that more than three-quarters of the 1,000 people surveyed believe that the Army is doing a good job abroad but say that soldiers are not getting enough support at home.

*1*.One in four want higher wages for soldiers – trained privates take home just over £16,700 – and warn that troops need better equipment and higher standards of housing.

*2*Almost half of those surveyed believe that the British Army looks after its injured soldiers but a third disagreed, and while 42 per cent said that the Army looks after its veterans, 35 per cent disagreed.

There was overwhelming approval for overseas operations – with 78 per cent agreeing that the Army was doing a "good job" in Afghanistan and 74 per cent praising its role in Iraq.

The Ipsos Mori survey is carried out twice a year to chart the attitude of Britons to the Army.

A report commissioned by the Chief of Staff, General Sir Richard Dannatt, has found that many soldiers are living in poverty.
*1* 1 in 4 only 25% say more pay not great support
*2* less than 50% again not great support
 
#14
Biscuits_AB said:
heard_it_all_before said:
£10k a year extra to All Ranks. And to pay for it, tax the Poor on their Dole handouts. That way they'll all have to stop smoking, stop spending all day in the pub and walk instead of getting Taxi's. Not that I'm stereotyping dosser's, but that seems to paint a picture of all the ones I've seen.

And that's £10k across the board, not over 3 years, not just to Privates, but to every fcuker.
And thenjust watch the public sector kick off.

10 out of 10 for ambition though!
That's an easy one to deal with.... Stick all the whinging public sector cnuts on a jumbo and fly them out to Iraq for 3 months followed by another 3 months in Afghan. Then see if they have anything else to whinge about. Maybe shoot a few on the way out just to set the scene...
 
#15
Biscuits_AB said:
heard_it_all_before said:
£10k a year extra to All Ranks. And to pay for it, tax the Poor on their Dole handouts. That way they'll all have to stop smoking, stop spending all day in the pub and walk instead of getting Taxi's. Not that I'm stereotyping dosser's, but that seems to paint a picture of all the ones I've seen.

And that's £10k across the board, not over 3 years, not just to Privates, but to every fcuker.
And thenjust watch the public sector kick off.

10 out of 10 for ambition though!
Personally i think that joe public would rather that our soldiers have extra pay so that they can have a nice basic life . Than give their taxes to the m,p, and a.m for there second homes etc .
 
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#16
Why not just stop taxing us? Do away with all the so called incentive bonuses and standard pi** poor tax free payment and simply abolish tax for the military, after all when all the other public sector workers abandon their posts who has to pick up the ball, Firefighters suddenly decide they can't handle the heat and who steps in..........It won't be long befor the police and medical services suddenly decide they aren't getting enough overtime and walk out then guess who everyone will look to again..( Ok maybe I am being extreme but who knows??????)
 
#17
10k across the board? Don't be so bloody stupid!

When I was in I earned a good wage compared to a lot of civvys I knew, and when I left the Army I took a pay cut.

I wonder if there was a lot of "pay squaddies more" duting the 1st/2nd world wars? I doubt it.

Grow up. If you don't like the operational tempo....sign off. Some people signed on in the hope of seeing some action, I loved op tours. If it's too hot in the kitchen etc.

What is wrong with with the forces today?? Everyone's complaining!!
 
#18
smudge67 said:
10k across the board? Don't be so bloody stupid!

When I was in I earned a good wage compared to a lot of civvys I knew, and when I left the Army I took a pay cut.

I wonder if there was a lot of "pay squaddies more" duting the 1st/2nd world wars? I doubt it.

Grow up. If you don't like the operational tempo....sign off. Some people signed on in the hope of seeing some action, I loved op tours. If it's too hot in the kitchen etc.

What is wrong with with the forces today?? Everyone's complaining!!
You left the Army and took a pay cut, you must be a right useless tosser then to not find a decent job in civvy street that pays better than the Army.

Stop knocking blokes for trying to get a better deal.
 
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wevers

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#19
smudge67 said:
10k across the board? Don't be so bloody stupid!

When I was in I earned a good wage compared to a lot of civvys I knew, and when I left the Army I took a pay cut.

I wonder if there was a lot of "pay squaddies more" duting the 1st/2nd world wars? I doubt it.

Grow up. If you don't like the operational tempo....sign off. Some people signed on in the hope of seeing some action, I loved op tours. If it's too hot in the kitchen etc.

What is wrong with with the forces today?? Everyone's complaining!!
You are wrong not everyone is complaining they are simply voicing their opinions, I'm not sure how long you have been out or indeed how long you served but regardless in some areas of the forces guys are effectively doing 7 months on tour and a gap of approximately 9 months before deploying again (not to mention all the pre deployment training in the middle) It all gets a little much even for those of us who don't mind deploying..............
 
#20
smudge67 said:
When I was in I earned a good wage compared to a lot of civvys I knew, and when I left the Army I took a pay cut.
Did you move into a new area or do what you were doing in the army?

Most people do take a pay cut when they get out mainly because they change careers, If you were in civvy street and wanted to get into another career you would do exactly the same, if you were in the army, moving into civvy street and doing exactly the same job, you would expect AT LEAST the same amount of pay.

Most professional careers are paid well the more you work at it and the more experienced you get, do 22 years and you are/should be very experienced at what you do, change trades/jobs and all that experience is lost. Work for 22 years in a professional civvy job and try to get a new career, see how much of a cut in pay you need to take.....
 

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