Pay for "extra-curricular" PT?

#1
Firstly: if there is some pamphlet I should have read before putting this question here then feel free to point me in the right direction.

Right, I'm just wondering if anyone here gets paid for doing PT outside of actual TA/reserves training nights? I ask because I heard on the grapevine (lets say a friend of a theoretical friend for the sake of not getting anyone in trouble) that some staff sign their men off for a quarter days pay for every time they can show they did their own PT during the week. The logic behind this is apparently that regs get Wednesday off to do phys, and so are in effect being paid to keep fit, and with the whole One Army idea this should be replicated in the TA.

For example I go to BMF (http://www.britmilfit.com for those who haven't heard of it) and pay for the pleasure of doing PT with proper army PTIs. It would be nice to have this cost offset by getting paid, even if its just a days pay per month.

Personally I'm not too bothered about the whole thing, and therefore I'm unlikely to go up the chain of command to pursue this, especially as I can imagine the responses being along the lines of "Then we would have to pay every time someone went out for a run" or "Private X doesn't get paid for PT and he manages to stay fit". However it would be interesting to see if this is a widespread thing or not

Cheers
 
#2
Do a search, this has been discussed before.

msr
 
#3
Apologies, am I missing some jargon I should be including in my search? Have looked back 9 months or so and not stumbled across any relevant topics.

Cheers for any help
 
#4
Search for keywords 'pay fitness' (without the quotes)

Search for all terms

Search Forum: Just TA.

msr
 
#5
Jimw100 said:
Firstly: if there is some pamphlet I should have read before putting this question here then feel free to point me in the right direction.

Right, I'm just wondering if anyone here gets paid for doing PT outside of actual TA/reserves training nights? I ask because I heard on the grapevine (lets say a friend of a theoretical friend for the sake of not getting anyone in trouble) that some staff sign their men off for a quarter days pay for every time they can show they did their own PT during the week. The logic behind this is apparently that regs get Wednesday off to do phys, and so are in effect being paid to keep fit, and with the whole One Army idea this should be replicated in the TA.

For example I go to BMF (http://www.britmilfit.com for those who haven't heard of it) and pay for the pleasure of doing PT with proper army PTIs. It would be nice to have this cost offset by getting paid, even if its just a days pay per month.

Personally I'm not too bothered about the whole thing, and therefore I'm unlikely to go up the chain of command to pursue this, especially as I can imagine the responses being along the lines of "Then we would have to pay every time someone went out for a run" or "Private X doesn't get paid for PT and he manages to stay fit". However it would be interesting to see if this is a widespread thing or not

Cheers
Since when? Not in my time.

Organised unit sport on a Wed afternoon yes, but not 'Weds off to do phys'

Edited for mongness :oops:
 
#6
I meant Weds afternoon off, and I suppose I meant "off" as in "doing phys that isn't directly soldier related" like tabbing etc.

MSR- Cheers for the help there, found the thread now. I gather from there that this practice of getting paid for phys is definitely NOT widespread after all...
 
#7
I was led to beleive that -for the most part- a TA soldiers fitness was his own responsibility, and it was implied by PSI's and the like that one had to do 'phys' in ones own time to keep up to standard.

Surely one doesn't need a days pay to get motivated in the great battle with old 'belly'?
 
#8
You absolutely do need to do phys in your own time if you want to be a good soldier. Personally i don't need the extra motivation; as i said above I do phys anyway, I even pay my own money for it because I think its better than just going out for a run.

I don't think paying people in the TA for doing phys would increase the amount of people that do it. As was stated on the other thread, if you're too lazy to do it for free then a quarter days pay for every 4 hours you do or whatever probably won't change your mind.

I've never thought "i should be paid to do this" when I'm out doing PT, but hearing that others DO get paid for it just made me wonder. If money was available to subsidise worthwhile extracurricular PT I wouldn't sniff at it, but its not as if I'm going to stop exercising because I'm not being paid for it.
 
#10
I get "corporate rates" for being TA if thats what you mean? Like I said, I'm not too bothered about it myself, but thanks for the heads up. I thought I might be missing a trick by paying all this money whilst every other b•stard is getting paid for it, but obviously thats not the case.
 
#11
Should I put in a pay claim fir the time I spend ironing my kit? Should I get a receipt for my haircuts? What about the shreddies I wear when in DPM, surely I can bill for these?

Etc.
 
#13
We get paid a 1/4 days pay to visit the gym, as long as proof is provided, up to a maximum of 4 times a month.
 
#14
Bravo_Bravo said:
Should I put in a pay claim fir the time I spend ironing my kit? Should I get a receipt for my haircuts? What about the shreddies I wear when in DPM, surely I can bill for these?

Etc.
Hmmm...

How about:

Should you get paid for weapons training? Should you get paid for navigation training?

Should you get paid for any training which is required by the MoD in order to be fit for role?

Just because PT can be carried out in an individual's own time and at an individual's own expense, does that mean it should be?
 
#15
Im reg, not TA and, guess what, I run "in my own time" three times a week and swim etc at the weekend. I do not think it would be unreasonable to ask your CoC to ensure you have access to training facilities but I do not believe you should be paid for time spent unless it is part of organised unit PT.
 
#16
SigDev_Duck said:
Bravo_Bravo said:
Should I put in a pay claim fir the time I spend ironing my kit? Should I get a receipt for my haircuts? What about the shreddies I wear when in DPM, surely I can bill for these?

Etc.
Hmmm...

How about:

Should you get paid for weapons training? Should you get paid for navigation training?

Should you get paid for any training which is required by the MoD in order to be fit for role?

Just because PT can be carried out in an individual's own time and at an individual's own expense, does that mean it should be?
You do get paid for weapons training, and you do get paid for nav training. etc. Its called a "drill night", and sometimes, "a weekend."

I do hope that you are not carrying out your weapons training at home, its not really the Done Thing in UKLF.
 
#17
So what's the difference (in terms of the occupational requirement, not the logistics involved)?
 
#18
Dog-faced-soldier said:
Im reg, not TA and, guess what, I run "in my own time" three times a week and swim etc at the weekend. I do not think it would be unreasonable to ask your CoC to ensure you have access to training facilities but I do not believe you should be paid for time spent unless it is part of organised unit PT.
As a regular, paid 24x7x365, do you have your "own time" or do you simply have a portion of your time during which you are not required to be at your normal place of work?

I don't think that my TA CofC has the authority to ensure access to training facilities, nor do I believe that they have any interest in ensuring such access.

Fortunately, in my own case I have access to excellent service phys facilities, but that is due to my own efforts, and the pragmatic support of a regular unit, not my own TA unit.
 
#19
In the Regs enough time is spent during the working day to keep up your fitness to the required standards. Gym couple times a week, wednesday afternoon sports and if your really lucky I used to do Co's PT on Friday afternnon. The guys loved that.
Not so in TA the little time you spend in green is spent on mil training or det maintenance, this leaves very little time for PT, you are expected to do it in your own time. I think you should be able to claim for a small amount of training, but problem is some people would take the piss, and put in claims of hundreds of pounds and then no doubt also fail there Matts each year anyway.
Personally I go running a couple three times a week, not for the TA, but for my health, as I want to live past 50 and not need a crame to lower me into the ground when i die. What I do do is go into TAC early on drill night and go for a run before parade, and they let me claim half a day and not a quarter, and voila i'm been paid for keeping fit, well part anyway.
 
#20
Filius_nullius said:
What I do do is go into TAC early on drill night and go for a run before parade, and they let me claim half a day and not a quarter, and voila i'm been paid for keeping fit, well part anyway.
Sounds like a good, sensible, pragmatic solution - it'll never catch on :D
 

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