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Pay Cuts to Chunky Constables.

#1
Just seen on Sky News that the Police are having a review on all Police Officers to take annual fitness tests, and that those who are repeat offenders will be given pay cuts. Excellent idea, they may be able to start catching criminals soon!
 
#6
I find the sight of a fat policeman puffing along on his beat reassuring, while an officer of the law can gannet several free all day breakfasts of a morning and get a good kip in in the park all is right with the world.

Things are different across the pond of course.
 
#8
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHA

Yeah right!

But given that the bleep test is 5:4 (which is the warm up) you really shouldn't fail.

Police could face annual fitness tests and compulsory redundancies | UK news | The Guardian

But most interesting is this;

Direct entry for new recruits to be allowed at inspector rank and above to bring in fresh talent from business, military and other fields with at least 80 places a year.

Our "leaders" have had any street experience bred ouy of them for years, especially on the high potential development scheme.

Now they will have no experience (or indeed clue about what it is like to be a front line cop).

Edited to include a post from the Guardian (it wasn't me)

The prospect of 'new recruits with business backgrounds to join the senior ranks' is predictable and depressing.
It seems to be an article of faith these days that a manager, clutching a little batch of dismal qualifications and au fait with the latest buzzwords emanating from some fat idiot in Texas (probably), can simply go and manage, anything, anywhere.
This completely ignores the idea that you might build up some useful experience as a mere minion, actually doing productive work. This would seem to be particularly pertinent in a highly specialised occupation like the
police.
 
#9
I wonder if typing proficiency might be a more useful efficiency maximizer? Its not like many cops spend much time actually running after people like they are Starsky and Hutch, in most countries it is a pretty sedentary job, and being a bit bulky might actually come in handy in subduing perps in the cells.
 
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#12
Oh and one quick thought:

Direct entry to Inspector rank: DI's run murder and rape enquiries as the senior investigating officer.

So do you really want someone with no police experience in charge of the investigation into the rape or murder of your family members?

Or is the going to be a further proposal for seperate CID proceedures?

The police federation has been pointing out for years that the service is loosing first response detectives, the ones who investigate rapes, murders, burglaries, robberies (basically the non-sexy stuff that the public probably give a shit about).

http://www.polfed.org/Losing_The_Detectives_complete_report_jan08.pdf

So with overtime going, lack of staff and resources and constant stupid statistics on clear-ups to be produced (doubtless to keep the incoming bright young things witha shot at their next rank) what the hell is going to happen to the patient work of CID? Have the brilliant minds at the Home Office thought that bit through yet, or are they just relying on good will to muddle through and make the job work as usual?

Like I said, I don't give a shit as I will still get paid (although I could go and earn more money elsewhere relatively easily), but I liked actually being one of the good guys. Turning up on the worst day in someones life and making a difference. Not waving a magic wand, but just doing what can be done. And that's getting less and less with each set of "reforms".
 
#13
Oh and one quick thought:

Direct entry to Inspector rank: DI's run murder and rape enquiries as the senior investigating officer.

So do you really want someone with no police experience in charge of the investigation into the rape or murder of your family members?
Does someone who runs a factory have to know how to work a lathe? Did my mother (highly important in a construction firm) know how to lay bricks? Can I, currently consulting to the NHS carry out a surgical procedure?

Surely there is a point where a project or team manager doesn't need to be able to do all the jobs of his team. Indeed it could be argued that detailed knowledge of all tasks leads to micromanagement. I saw this with one of my bosses in the TA once - having spent way too much time as a Signaller she was useless at stepping back and being a Major...
 
#15
Does someone who runs a factory have to know how to work a lathe? Did my mother (highly important in a construction firm) know how to lay bricks? Can I, currently consulting to the NHS carry out a surgical procedure?

Surely there is a point where a project or team manager doesn't need to be able to do all the jobs of his team. Indeed it could be argued that detailed knowledge of all tasks leads to micromanagement. I saw this with one of my bosses in the TA once - having spent way too much time as a Signaller she was useless at stepping back and being a Major...
I take your point mate, but how are you suppose to be a team manager when you have no experience of the investigative opportuinities or legislative points to prove?

Unless you utterly seperate the rank of Inspector from anything operational?

It happens with graduate entry who are highly qualified sheep; they've jumped through the hoops and got to the rank but no experience.

I know of one who's a DCI on a murder squad with virtually no experience; promoted straight after probation got all qualifications in the standards department and rotated out on promotion.

The DI and Dsgt run the place and just take bits of paper for signature, duly given because they haven't got the knowledge to argue about the issues.

It just makes a mockery of the whole thing.
 
#16
Just reading into the ‘Repeat Offenders’ part of the statement, it’s an annual test, once a year, so how many times does someone have to fail to be considered as a repeat offender. They could be sat around for some time till pay cuts are considered. Hopefully, failures have to continue training to pass and take re-test until they are fit enough.
We get them in the Army, but as I said earlier, their contact can be put up for termination under strict new ruling. Which is an easier way of (excuse the pun) ‘trimming the fat’ from the Army and cheaper than making them Redundant.
 
#17
Thanks for a sensible reply, Needle Point. I suppose comparing the Military and the Police is comparing apples & oranges - two sets of servants of HM divided by Uniforms!

Admittedly Army Officers go through a year of RMAS then STA training, but in anything but the Infantry this training is highly unlikely to make them as competent in individual tasks as the Soldiers they lead. For example I could drive a tank, load its guns, operate its radios and fire its guns but not as well as the Driver, Operator or Gunner.

Admittedly when I became a Scaley Officer I knew more about Antennae & Propagation than most of my Troops, but that was my love of an intellectual challenge & the inner geek coming out. It did help me, though, as the Boys could very rarely bluff me that a link wouldn't work because of atmospherics or similar & I could therefore insist they persevered rather than sacking it & getting into their scratchers/reverting to NOKIA.

I'm still interested in why the Old Bill are so insistent that no one can credibly lead a team without having started at the bottom. Is this reality or just an opionion so ingrained it cannot be shaken off?

I do, of course, accept the issue over Forces becoming Services and things like diversity & targets taking over from feeling the collars of crooks. However is this the fault of Officers who have been pushed in above some perceived level of competence or is it more ebcause of political interference? ISTR that in the olden days most Chief Constables used to be retired military men who had never served as sworn Constables, let alone on the beat!
 
#19
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I do, of course, accept the issue over Forces becoming Services and things like diversity & targets taking over from feeling the collars of crooks. However is this the fault of Officers who have been pushed in above some perceived level of competence or is it more ebcause of political interference? ISTR that in the olden days most Chief Constables used to be retired military men who had never served as sworn Constables, let alone on the beat!
Just an observation, somebody without grounding in a profession may well do things differently from the institutional culture, that can be a good or a bad thing, they may also have difficulty in commanding respect, a military officer might be an exception. Shifty patriarchies like a police department, a law firm or an Arab tribe often don't respond well to such innovation.
 
#20
I know some people who can run very fast for very long periods of time but are really shit at their actual jobs.

What about their pay cuts or contract terminations..?
 

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