Pay 2000

OK, So whose bright idea was this then? This extremely fair and not recruiting/retention driven at all move to save money after SDR.

I'm not even gonna go down the lines of contract signed - perceived earnings route.....


Apparently - for those of you looking after TA units - Pay 2K will require each soldier to be established against an LSN. Speaking as someone holding700 troops against an establishment of 322 this will mean some interesting accounting at Glasgow or no pay for a few TA chaps!
:pCould use the extra money for those of us Re Scaled to a lower rate....

After all, would you wish someone behind you armed with 96lb HE shells to be disenchanted, disallusioned and feeling completely let down by his / her own directorate?

Not to even mention loyalty going both ways...

Or even under valued soldiers?

Nothing will change until the Officers refuse then new scales, by then WE might have forgotten? Not if I can help it. :mad:


As a Household Cavalry Officer I am somewhat confused regarding all these complaints about Pay2000.    Surely if you are not being paid enough you just dip into your private income, or phone up daddy and ask him to send you a postal order.
some people who work NEAR the big 95lb shells with the same cap badge were not even included in the new pay reveiw but still work as hard
I think that you should only get the higher rate if you do your wartime role in peacetime for real and dont spend all your peacetime practising your war role. I mean the teeth arms earn their money when they actually deploy (doesn't everybody?) But the rest of the time they do seem to spend a lot of time in PT Kit or on block leave not really doing much at all.
teeth arms go where they are told when they are told and we get the same amount of leave as everyone else no special favors for the specialists
........exactly, so why do they expect automatic promotion to the higher pay band?

The ability to carry heavy shells does not warrant extra pay.  If it did, they would be replaced by a machine.

If you create a system with 2 bands, somebody has to be in the lower one.  Grow up.
Hey Cyrano you could earn millions doing research for the MOD finding things out like "women are not as robust as men". 2 bands and someone has to be in the lower one. Hm so thats what all the noise was about. A true statement but it doesn't make it right or fair.
Wish I did earn millions, but my cap-badge is in........
...the lower band. :(

Spike Milligan once wrote that the time to start worrying about a British Soldier is when he stops whingeing.(Is that the correct spelling?)
Cyrano's comment

'If you create a system with 2 bands, somebody has to be in the lower one.  Grow up. '

Yes, what a sensible chap, you must be either a chef, or a yes man with no real idea on pay 2000 and the vast numbers of trades in the Army that have been shafted by it.
I work with an RAF SNCO who claims that because he has done his NVQ 4 in Management he will go up an increment - same with the Army?  I asked our Ed Offr and got a blank look!


Pay 2000 sucks. My sympathy goes out to you. I get paid 78 Gin and Toinics, 58 pints of Stella, 300 liters of Supa unleaded, what ever mess a bill costs and the rest on an extremely fast fanny magnet.

Are you enlisted chaps getting paid in Pounds or Euros these days?
well seeing as pay2K was one of the major reasons i signed the line, i have a few comments!

the increments would have been fine if the time had been taken to work out the individual starting levels, instead of saying all will start at the same level. this was really fair for the seniors in each rank

as a REME lance jack having served 5 years in rank i was really looking forward to the jump in pay between L/Cpl and Cpl, then pay2K came along and the promotion was worth something like £1.50 a day, did the same happen in other corps/regiments?

the system was aimed at making a fairer payscale to come into line with civilian equivalents, do civi's have a 2 level system that everyone is included in. or should the job descriptions dictate the individuals pay within the services.

and yes within the army i believe that having your NVQ4 in management does warrant an increments advantage

thanks for your time glasgow.....not.
My sympathy with you and the thousands of others STL. I had been WO1 for over 4 years and have to mark time for 3 years so someone promoted after Pay 2K kicked in went onto the same rate as me. An absolute load of cobblers but not wholly surprising these days unfortunately, just wish that I hadnt passed the point of no return when it was introduced otherwise like you, I would not be sat in darkness!!
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