Paxman interview with Lieutenant General Sir John Kiszely.

#1
What an electric interview that was on BBC2 tonight!

Two weeks ago the BBC reported a leaked leaked paper written at the Defence Academy had raised doubts about the success of the army's role in Afghanistan, said the war in Iraq had become a recruiting sergeant for al-Qaeda and expressed concerns about the reliability of Pakistan's security services.

LtGen Kiszely who is in charge of the Defence Academy was not happy & wanted to put Paxman straight. Have you ever known anyone trying to get one over with Paxman in an interview!
 
#2
He did just look as though he wanted to get up and smack Paxman for being such an arrogant sh*t! Unfortunately, Swiss Tony handled Paxman much better immediately afterwards - possibly because as a Politician the flannel, waffle, diversionary tactics and evasion comes much more easily to him than it does to a man for whom honesty and speaking his mind are paramount.
 
#3
Fifth_Columnist said:
He did just look as though he wanted to get up and smack Paxman for being such an arrogant sh*t! Unfortunately, Swiss Tony handled Paxman much better immediately afterwards - possibly because as a Politician the flannel, waffle, diversionary tactics and evasion comes much more easily to him than it does to a man for whom honesty and speaking his mind are paramount.
I was waiting to see if he would have somesort of reaction to Paxman!
 
#4
What a load of tosh that was!

All Paxo did was repeat the same nonsense for 15 minutes.

Gen Kiss Kiss was boiling mad by the end, see how he glowered when he said thank you?
 
#7
I am watching it now, Paxo is stuffing the good General. I missed the original programme, sadly, the Gen is trying to do the impossible. Surely the JSCSC should know that when you invite the press you do a politcians dodge the question and then get your point of view across.

I personally think the General stuck with Party Line and this shafted him.

From what I can tell, this leaked memo did not really say very much that was not already known. In terms of how the spin presented, it smacked of a David Kelly hatchet job.
 
#8
I've seen a couple of Paxo's interviews where the camera shows his face as the other person is answering a tough question. He smirks as they are on camera to wind them up. Then puts a serious face on to ask another question.
 
#9
eveyuk said:
I've seen a couple of Paxo's interviews where the camera shows his face as the other person is answering a tough question. He smirks as they are on camera to wind them up. Then puts a serious face on to ask another question.
Yes it is an old advocate's trick commonly used in court when faced with an intelligent and articulate witness and it is designed to elicit an angry response. Since an angry response is generally an ill-considered response it exposes that which is ill-considered open to counter-attack and the potential destruction of the entirety of the testimony given as a result of a single ill-considered response during an otherwise flawless testimony.

It is also a technique used by internet trolls.

You can watch the interview again until the end of tonights programme here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

Regards and best wishes
Iolis
 
#11
I thought that the General handled himself well in the face of banal questionning from Paxman. He answered the question eloquently and did not deviate from his message despite Paxman endlessly asking the same question. From my perspective Paxman looked foolish and the General got the better of him.

Far better performance than CGS answering questions on cas the other week.
 
#12
Iolis said:
Yes it is an old advocate's trick commonly used in court when faced with an intelligent and articulate witness and it is designed to elicit an angry response. Since an angry response is generally an ill-considered response it exposes that which is ill-considered open to counter-attack and the potential destruction of the entirety of the testimony given as a result of a single ill-considered response during an otherwise flawless testimony.
"It's a piece of research... it's a piece of research... it's a..."

This is the old parents' trick of the 'broken record technique'... when presented with an articulate smart arrse child.

Why couldn't have Paxman used the time and moved on to ask more firmly what the General's view and the Academy's view is currently. Paxman is clearly direct but actually his questions are often poorly structured, but worse still, he doesn't present add on questions well, preferring to stick with his initial line. An opportunity wasted.
 
#13
I've just watched it on my PC and I have to say that I thought the good General won that one. He had a simple point to make, that it was research notes that were quoted on the earlier program and not a policy document. FFS, I've only got a CSE in Woodwork and I could understand that!! Paxo came aross as both unpleasant and repetitive in his questioning. He had nothing to say and resorted to what he thought were clever, revealing questions when in fact they were no such thing. To suggest that because the Defence Academy is under the Ministry of Defence therefore anything written by a student or staff member there is by definition Government or MOD policy seems to me to be particularly stupid. One can only wonder at the quality of research at Newsnight these days!
 
#15
REG002 said:
I wonder if Paxman knew about Kiszely's history and broken bayonet!
...alright, spill the beans! Chapter and verse...
 
#16
BoomShackerLacker said:
REG002 said:
I wonder if Paxman knew about Kiszely's history and broken bayonet!
...alright, spill the beans! Chapter and verse...
Falklands, Tumbledown, 2nd Bn Scots Guards, if you do a google you will find the basic facts in the public domain.

I agree with Jaeger's take on the interview.

D.Y.
 
#17
hackle said:
BoomShackerLacker said:
REG002 said:
I wonder if Paxman knew about Kiszely's history and broken bayonet!
...alright, spill the beans! Chapter and verse...
Falklands, Tumbledown, 2nd Bn Scots Guards, if you do a google you will find the basic facts in the public domain.

D.Y.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mount_Tumbledown said:
Major Kiszley, who was to become a senior general after the war, was the first man into the enemy position, personally shooting two enemy conscripts and bayoneting a third, his bayonet breaking in two while the hapless Argentine expired. Seeing their company commander among the Argentines inspired 14 and 15 Platoons to make the final dash across open ground to get within bayoneting distance of the Marines. Kiszley and six other Guardsmen suddenly found themeselves standing on top of the mountain, looking down on Port Stanley under street lighting and with vehicles moving along the roads. The Argentines now counter-attacked and a burst of machine-gun fire from 1 Platoon of Second Lieutenant Augusto La Madrid immediately injured three of these men, including the company commander and Lieutenant Alastair Mitchell, commander of 15 Platoon. For his bayonet charge Major Kiszley was awarded the Military Cross.

DoE
 
#18
Jailorinummqasr said:
I am watching it now, Paxo is stuffing the good General. I missed the original programme, sadly, the Gen is trying to do the impossible. Surely the JSCSC should know that when you invite the press you do a politcians dodge the question and then get your point of view across.

I personally think the General stuck with Party Line and this shafted him.

From what I can tell, this leaked memo did not really say very much that was not already known. In terms of how the spin presented, it smacked of a David Kelly hatchet job.
Agreed.

The more an organisation such as the MOD seeks to engage in an almost fanatical obsession with news and information management to the detriment and in order to manipulate public opinion to a point where it is entirely consistent with Government Policy than the greater is the extent to which 'leaks' of official information which undermine or controvert the official view become more prevalent.

Make no mistake. Those who 'leak' do not do so lightly. They do so at great personal risk both to their careers and pension prospects and sometimes to their liberty. You can think of many examples. Catherine Gun who leaked transcripts from GCHQ, Sarah Keynes and others who did so knowingly deliberately are but two recent examples.

Although one may not condone what they do, it takes a great deal of moral courage to destroy your future in the honestly held belief that what you are doing is right but nevertheless illegal. Illegal, but personal courage nevertheless. A courage that I doubt many of us would be prepared to display.

Does an individual undertake to leak such information that is of low-grade. Can t honestly be said that the person (who has been identified) did so casually and without thought for what he was doing or the effect it would have on him?

In that position, and faced with those choices, can it honestly be said that a mere 'researcher' of his rank and seniority at an MOD establishment - The Defence Academy, leaked, what Gen Kisley purports to describe as a 'Research Document the BBC?

The MOD is no different from any other organ of state. It has 'form' when leaks take place.

(a), discredit the status of the the leaked document.

if that fails

(b), discredit the status of the individual who produced it

if that fails

(c), discredit the individual who produced it.

Make no mistake, Kizley in the the Brown sticky stuff big time! A member of his staff leaked this document to the BBC!

You do not see General in full uniform appear on the BBC unless and until they have been cleared by the Press Office and have received a very careful briefing beforehand!

Listen very carefully to the question that are put and analyse very carefully the answers given and see how many inconsistencies you can find!

Is the document credible?

I see no reason whatever on the evidence to suggest that it is not!

Regards and best wishes
Iolis
 
#19
hackle said:
BoomShackerLacker said:
REG002 said:
I wonder if Paxman knew about Kiszely's history and broken bayonet!
...alright, spill the beans! Chapter and verse...
Falklands, Tumbledown, 2nd Bn Scots Guards, if you do a google you will find the basic facts in the public domain.

I agree with Jaeger's take on the interview.

D.Y.
Concur with Your last
 
#20
Suggest you all take a read of the comments posted. Some people in my opinion really can't take an objective view!

Thought the General did well - kept to his central theme, even with Paxman refusing to listen.
 

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