Passing Main Board no longer guarantees entry to Sandhurst

DMan

Old-Salt
#1
I had my initial interview today and my ACA said that, after the main board this weekend, passing main board will no longer guarantee you a place at Sandhurst. Apparently, as the army size is scaling down, they are intruding even further tests to only accept the best at Sandhurst.

Dman.
 
#2
Twas ever thus really, just not really formalised. As anyone in the army knows, the trick isn't to pass the entry criteria, it's to get loaded onto the course.

Don't believe it until you are carrying your ironing board up New College steps.
 
#3
Old College dear boy, and they prefer you to bring your kit in through the back these days (you still get to park on OC parade ground though...briefly).

The format for the last 4 years or so has been that if you didn't contact OCAC and at least provisionally book a place on a CC then your MB pass was invalidated rather quickly. The point being that once you had got through MB it was expected that the individual knew whether they wanted to attend RMAS or not however, some decide its not for them right up into the Senior Term. Maniacs.
 
#5
What I really want to know is who in their right mind is joining up now? Junior Officers now work harder for far less reward than ever before and, switching to a maritime analogy, the whole ship is slowly sinking.
 
#6
What I really want to know is who in their right mind is joining up now? Junior Officers now work harder for far less reward than ever before and, switching to a maritime analogy, the whole ship is slowly sinking.
Interesting point. I'm not sure that I would join up again either.
 
#8
Interesting viewpoints seeing as I'm due to start in May! I'm eagerly awaiting my joining instructions as I haven't heard anything since sending back my PCCBC and entry confirmations post-Main Board.
 

Glad_its_all_over

ADC
Book Reviewer
#9
What I really want to know is who in their right mind is joining up now? Junior Officers now work harder for far less reward than ever before and, switching to a maritime analogy, the whole ship is slowly sinking.
Well, if you can find another career which allows you to enjoy the privilege of commanding the most annoying, sly, dishonest, evil - and brave, magnificent and hilarious - soldiers in the world, you should obviously pursue that. If, on the other hand, you can't find one and what I've described is what you want to do, there's no alternative. If you don't want to do that, don't waste the Army's or Sandhust's time, don't take the place, never mind if you managed to pass the Main Board or not.

I know this doesn't apply to you, Bloke mate, but if there's one thing which pisses me off royally, it's folk looking to commission without thinking it all the way through and viewing the Army as a route to another career. It certainly can be, but in my days as a senior, I was constantly disappointed by the young gentlemen who somehow didn't seem to enjoy the company of soldiers and couldn't *wait* to get away from them.
 
#10
What will happen then, it appealed to me the fact I could have a place at Sandhurst booked 2 years before Uni finishes. I could understand increasing requirements, but i don't see the need in passing someone and not guaranteeing them a place?

And regards to Navy and RAF they both require applicants to apply for a particular job. They then get loaded onto a course if there are enough spaces for that job, so the popular jobs require a higher score to be obtained in selection.
 
#11
News to me I had my interview last month and was told that I could have place confirmed on a CC as soon as I have the main board out of the road.
 
#12
Ncaunt, PM coming your way!
 
#13
To follow up on GladItsAllOver's point, here is my considered view on a sensible approach to being an Officer in the Army of today (Some will note that it is very similar to the model traditionally followed by many members of "proper" regiments):

Join, preferably a combat arm, stay single! Command a platoon, reach the dizzy rank of Captain, leave as soon as you can. DO NOT regard the Army as a rewarding and satisfying CAREER. It will not be for the vast majority of officers. What it still can be is a rewarding and satisfying short term experience. Once you promote to Major, the fun is over and you are likely to be trapped in one way or another in an increasingly frustrating job, surrounded by desperate back-stabbers and increasingly disconnected from soldiering and the soldiers you joined to serve with. Unless you are convinced you will command a (your?) Regiment, there is no point staying in after you finish Company command (if you have stayed that long).

Key to the whole adventure is my early point - do not get married. The life of a single officer is fun. The fewer financial responsibilities you have, the easier it will be to make the decision to leave when the time is right.
 
#14
To follow up on GladItsAllOver's point, here is my considered view on a sensible approach to being an Officer in the Army of today (Some will note that it is very similar to the model traditionally followed by many members of "proper" regiments):

Join, preferably a combat arm, stay single! Command a platoon, reach the dizzy rank of Captain, leave as soon as you can. DO NOT regard the Army as a rewarding and satisfying CAREER. It will not be for the vast majority of officers. What it still can be is a rewarding and satisfying short term experience. Once you promote to Major, the fun is over and you are likely to be trapped in one way or another in an increasingly frustrating job, surrounded by desperate back-stabbers and increasingly disconnected from soldiering and the soldiers you joined to serve with. Unless you are convinced you will command a (your?) Regiment, there is no point staying in after you finish Company command (if you have stayed that long).

Key to the whole adventure is my early point - do not get married. The life of a single officer is fun. The fewer financial responsibilities you have, the easier it will be to make the decision to leave when the time is right.
You could have been the Captain I sat beside at a mess dinner in Blandford over 30 years ago. I had passed RCB (as it was then) and was down for a familiarisation visit. I pondered his words, slept on it, and then next day walked away from joining up. Some regrets over the years but the clincher was could I justify the Army training me for 6 years then inevitably walk out on them. No.
 
#15
Not sure I agree with you Mush dad, and I have copied the bit I disgree with.

"but the clincher was could I justify the Army training me for 6 years then inevitably walk out on them. No. "

I think we all agree the Army trains you very well for thejob, and then gets its pound of flesh back, in some cases with interest! So having done just what Blokeonabike did, and the Captain you no doubt shared a bum warmer in the Mess all those years ago, I tend to say it is horses for courses.

There are very bright capable officers who know what they want, and aim for the sky. Then there are those who do not see themselves in uniform for life and do a short term commision. They leave with outstanding skills and abililities to take into the Civilian world. Most I am sure also nurse knackered knees, backs and ears a legacy of the time they spent serving.
 
#16
It's important that lurkers/potential joiners recognise that all you get on here are OPINIONS - and some less well informed than others/tainted by personal grievances. There is no way of getting "perspective" on some of these opinions. But from my perspective, GladItsAll Over has the nail on the head wrt thinking it through and being prepared for the really rather well described soldiery. Can't go with BlokeOnABike though. Reality is that in ANY career, the further you progress the less you will be engaged in coal face activity. To write it off as impossible to be rewarding or satisfying after Capt though is, well, bollox.

And I'm pretty sure there are some bretheren from "proper" Regiments who are still around who might take exception!

Some jobs I've had were dull as ditchwater but the people were great. Some great jobs have been rather spoilt by having to work with tossers.

Way of the world.

Forget about the dizzy heights of Captain until you get there, then decide whether you can live with it, but make sure you have GladItsAllOvers's comments at the back of your mind.

OPINION ends
 
#17
Not sure I agree with you Mush dad, and I have copied the bit I disgree with.

"but the clincher was could I justify the Army training me for 6 years then inevitably walk out on them. No. "

I think we all agree the Army trains you very well for thejob, and then gets its pound of flesh back, in some cases with interest! So having done just what Blokeonabike did, and the Captain you no doubt shared a bum warmer in the Mess all those years ago, I tend to say it is horses for courses.

There are very bright capable officers who know what they want, and aim for the sky. Then there are those who do not see themselves in uniform for life and do a short term commision. They leave with outstanding skills and abililities to take into the Civilian world. Most I am sure also nurse knackered knees, backs and ears a legacy of the time they spent serving.
I certainly didn't intend to denigrate anybody who does serve for a short time and then move onto civvy life, especially those who've had their pound of flesh extracted. My feelings at the time were although I originally saw the Army as a long term career, providing the world didn't go tits up in North German plains, I realised that unless a Regimental command was in the offing, I would inevitably leave having been expensively trained with a failure to commit on my side. Purely personal thoughts, and not intended to align them to anybody who does or has served a short commission.
 
#18
Join, preferably a combat arm, stay single! Command a platoon, reach the dizzy rank of Captain, leave as soon as you can.
Unfortunately promotion to Captain comes so quickly that except for the lucky few the Junior Captain will leave with little more than being four years behind their peer group in terms of civilian careers. There's a chap on a recruiting forum I use who's asking about which MBA he should go for & which major consultancy firm he should grace by joining on the basis of not much more than becomign a Coy 2i/c.

To be quite frank with that experience, in that market he'd be setting his sights too high at getting on a graduate scheme with one of the big organisations. As has been pointed out elsewhere these big consultancies/professional services firms have their own systems & methodologies & they have a great lack of interest in fairly tenuous skills brought in from outside much before the Service leaver is at Col/Brig level.

It's the same with the Reserves. It maight work with a small firm saying that the employer will effectively get free management training from the Forces. To a global organisation if they want someone trained in management they'll set up a bespoke course to get it done in their own style, not rely ontransferring over how someone else does it.

Anyway it's all changed - They even let birds in. When I joined up we were still fighting colonial wars. If you saw someone in a skirt you shot him and nicked his country.
 
#19
EDIT: just looked at the date this an realised im a bit late to the party haha

Just read through all this and have to say it made a fantastic read plus lots of insightful comments to provide food for thought. I am in the process of going through the selection process for officer as we speak, and yes i could be disheartened by the fact that passing selection doesn't guarantee you a place, instead it is a motivational tool to make me work that much harder to ensure that i am the best i can be at selection

Well, if you can find another career which allows you to enjoy the privilege of commanding the most annoying, sly, dishonest, evil - and brave, magnificent and hilarious - soldiers in the world, you should obviously pursue that. If, on the other hand, you can't find one and what I've described is what you want to do, there's no alternative. If you don't want to do that, don't waste the Army's or Sandhust's time, don't take the place, never mind if you managed to pass the Main Board or not.

I know this doesn't apply to you, Bloke mate, but if there's one thing which pisses me off royally, it's folk looking to commission without thinking it all the way through and viewing the Army as a route to another career. It certainly can be, but in my days as a senior, I was constantly disappointed by the young gentlemen who somehow didn't seem to enjoy the company of soldiers and couldn't *wait* to get away from them.
I have to agree with this, as people have previously said it hit the nail on the head, my reasoning for going to uni was to join the army it is all ive wanted to do, i'd hate to think that i lost out on a place so someone can use it as a stepping stone or in some cases (correct me if im wrong, i understand some stereotypes are wrong) to get their inheritance, as opposed to me who wants to make it a career.
 
#20
I believe [though could be wrong] that it is not that there are further tests after AOSB Main Board but more a case of once gaining a MB Pass you are required to book onto a Sandhurst Commissioning Course within a month or so of getting the pass. This entry date can be anywhere from 5 years from the day you pass AOSB, or until your 26th birthday.

Essentially once you get a Main Board pass book your place at RMAS!
 

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