Pass the Port

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#1
Not being a member of the mess myself (and probably never will be), can you explain to me where the tradition of 'passing the port and not allowing it to touch the table' came from?
 

OldSnowy

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#2
Not known in my Regiment (Well, any of my 3 Regiments.  Stand still long enough, and the world and its cap badge changes around you.)

Filling the next glass along, toasting individually, toasting seated, etc., are all fine traditions for various Regiments.  Passing around without touching is a new one on me.

Mind you, all these problems would be solved if all messes simply gave a decanter of port to each member.  
 
#3
I have not been in a mess where the decanter was not allowed to touch the table.  I assume that it could be poured by mess staff.

Why does it go to the left?  No idea.  "It always has" could be the answer.

In the RN Wardroom they have Port & Madeira, but the Madeira must not overtake the Port.




It is a shame that the Port glasses are so small.  I love Port but as the years go by my body likes it less and less in the morning.
 
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#4
It's an infantry regiment in which this happens. Basically the port starts at one end, passes to the left and you pour your partner's glass, but it must NOT touch the table until everyone's glass is full.

I just think there are some strange little traditions that probably date back ions!
 
#5
SB - Which Regiment?
 

Paoli

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#7
Best guess (no real evidence to support it; luckily my regiment are pretty relaxed about most mess things):

The port has to go one way so that everyone gets a go(if it gest passed both ways all the decanters might end up in the middle, next to the fat drunken bloke who will hog it all for himself).  I suspect that the Navy may have picked left as easy to remember (Port being left in matelot - why the hell is that? Now there's a question).

I also suspect that not putting it on the table may have been expedient, rather than a custom, in the wardroom of a ship riding out heavy weather.  Infantry units that served as marines may have picked up the custom and hung onto it.  You could blow this theory out of the water by checking to see if your regiment ever had a spell at sea.
 
#8
Mine did, that is why we remain seated for the Loyal Toast, but the decanter still touches the table.
 

Paoli

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#9
Likewise, my lot were also marines once, but we let the port touch pretty much anything.  Mostly it goes down our fronts.... :D
 
#10
Hey, I'm a Brew Bitch!  You don't get long as a deturfing man do you?  Who's going to returf this flipping hole?

Tea anyone? ;D
 
#11
Port not touching the table is a custom in many Messes although it seem more common in infantry Messes. It is done to ensure camaraderie. The loyal toast should not be conducted until all have a glass of port/Madeira (or water only allowed substitute for those who don't drink). The PMC can see the place of the port decanter as it is passes from person to person and if it rests on the table he know all glasses are full and can continue.

In our Mess we don't have that tradition, but no two port decanters are allowed to catch each other as they are passed around the table, a heft fine lands on anyone caught. So fill your glass quick and pass it on
 
#12
The port doesn't touch the side in my mess....burp  :D
 
#14
Passing to the left has arisen from etiquette associated with posh dinner parties...............

Seating plan at such a party: Guest of Honour was always seated to the right of the host.  

Port decanter would be placed in front of the host and he would pour the drink for the chief guest, on his right. Thereafter everyone else pours their own.

This means that the host, having next poured himself a glass needs to send it around the table. The guy to his right already has some, and rather than stretch across him it makes sense to pass it to the left instead.  I imagine this is where the next most important guest would be too.....and so it carries on clockwise.

Voila!

The only Mess I have been in where the port doesn't touch the table is an RAF one - and the claim there (not sure on the truth of it) was that it represented the 'flying' aspect of the RAF!!!  

I believe that in Navy wardrooms the decanter is not meant to leave the table and port is poured by tilting decanter with base firmly on the ground. In one wardroom I know it is forbidden to pour your own port - anyone caught doing so is fined........ not sure if this true across the Navy.
 
#15
So do they wrap the decanter in crappy denim to represent the "culture" of the RAF Regt
 
#16
Yes the RAF do "Fly" the port around the table.  Suppose it represents a real plane probably no more than 4 or 5 in the mess (decanters and aeroplanes) about 50 people to make them fly.
 
#17
Surely the RAF explanation is just the junior service trying to get some form of tradition. Nearly their centenary!

In my mess the port is allowed to touch the table (too expensive otherwise with dropped decanters) but of two decanters arrive at the same person then said person is bottled (champagne).
 
#18
Bang-on Jezebel!  And here is some more trivia on it...

Centuries of tradition demand that port should always be passed from the right to the left, a custom that is rooted in mythology of many cultures around the world.  
 • The decanter or bottle is placed before the host, who serves the person on his right, then himself before passing the bottle to the guest on his left, who serves himself then passes again to the left.
 • Etiquette demands that the decanter or bottle be passed all the way around the table to be set once again in front of the host.
 • British customs deem it poor manners to ask for the decanter. If an errant guest fails to pass the port, the host traditionally asks, "Do you know the Bishop of Winchester?" A guest well-versed in port etiquette will abashedly pass the port along. If the guest answers, "No," he or she is told "He is an awfully good fellow – but he never passes the port."

I wonder whether this last point has anything to do with the phrase 'bashing the bishop'   ;)
 

Captain_Crusty

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#20
Grumblin_subalten said:
It could explain why if you hold it too tight it turns the colour of port
Don't squeeze the tweezers so much....
 

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