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parliment dont give a s****

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At todays debate on Afghanistan only 15 members can be seen in the house, just shows the amount of interest shown by MPs
 
#3
tropper66 said:
At todays debate on Afghanistan only 15 members can be seen in the house, just shows the amount of interest shown by MPs
they all far too busy running around spending up on the expense accounts then to be bothered by any war.
 
#4
The people of Iceland are trying to get rid of parliment and run the country like a web forum
 
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tropper66 said:
The people of Iceland are trying to get rid of parliment and run the country like a web forum
Interestingly, one of the standard responses given in political science and political philosophy against the direct democracy model surrounds the lack of technology to make it feasible. However, that argument no longer holds much weight, though there are other fundamental objections to the direct model that are more difficult to address. What will 'democracy' look like in ten or twenty years, I wonder.
 
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Contrarian said:
tropper66 said:
The people of Iceland are trying to get rid of parliment and run the country like a web forum
Interestingly, one of the standard responses given in political science and political philosophy against the direct democracy model surrounds the lack of technology to make it feasible. However, that argument no longer holds much weight, though there are other fundamental objections to the direct model that are more difficult to address. What will 'democracy' look like in ten or twenty years, I wonder.
The use of the internet caused the government downfall

check out THE ICELAND WEATHER REPORT on the web
 
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tropper66 said:
The use of the internet caused the government downfall
It's likely that history will record that the Icelandic government was ultimately brought down by the consequences of their reckless, blinkered, and greedy economic policy decisions, as well as the politicians' subservience to the banks.

However, the internet did allow Icelanders to receive and disseminate information rapidly. Without the net, would the people of Iceland have been able to develop an understanding of why their country finds itself in such dire straits?

An interesting question is, could the internet and technology allow citizens to have direct participation in the political process? Or do the masses find themselves disenfranchised through lack of technical (political, economic, and philosophical) knowledge. Will the game forever be rigged in the favour of an elite of political and financial technocrats?
 
#9
Sven said:
Yep

Sheffield Attercliffe for instance is really disenfranchised :roll:
Is that sarcasm I sense, Sven? From you? Well, I never would have expected that. Would you expand on your statement please. In particular, would you argue that there is no democratic deficit in Britain, and that there are no individuals or groups who find themselves disenfranchised to some extent?

Cheers.
 
#10
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
 
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tomthetinker said:
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
Can't have that, it would interfear with all their real jobs
 
#12
Contrarian said:
Sven said:
Yep

Sheffield Attercliffe for instance is really disenfranchised :roll:
Is that sarcasm I sense, Sven? From you? Well, I never would have expected that. Would you expand on your statement please. In particular, would you argue that there is no democratic deficit in Britain, and that there are no individuals or groups who find themselves disenfranchised to some extent?

Cheers.
Of course people feel disenfranchised, but it is not so. Racists feel that way, the BNP feel that way- but they have the vote, they have the right to meet and discuss their viewpoint and so long as it doesn't slander other people or state intolerance of other races then they have free speech.

Living where I do I could go off on a disenfranchisement whinge, given that there isn't that much chance of a Lib Dem MP getting in. But I have the above, I have the right to try and convince others to come round to my way of thinking - and so does everyone else.
 
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tomthetinker said:
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
How do you know that they weren't 'in the House' then Tom?
 
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Sven said:
tomthetinker said:
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
How do you know that they weren't 'in the House' then Tom?
They might have been in the house but they did not show up for the debate It's thursday,the house don't sit on friday it's a case of FOTF
 
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tropper66 said:
Sven said:
tomthetinker said:
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
How do you know that they weren't 'in the House' then Tom?
They might have been in the house but they did not show up for the debate It's thursday,the house don't sit on friday it's a case of FOTF
How long was the debate Trops? Did you watch the whole of it? Did the Beeb SHOW all of it?

I'm not suggesting that all MPs were there at some time or another but that there might have been substantially more than you stated. It is impossible for all MPS to attend all debates.
 
#17
Sven said:
tomthetinker said:
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
How do you know that they weren't 'in the House' then Tom?
They quite possibly were in the House - Either feet up on the desk as they phoned their stockbrokers, or propping up one of the (half dozen) bars that grace that fine establishment. :evil:

An honourable minority might have been trying to do some good in the world; but they're swimming against the tide in that particular sewer.....
 

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Sven said:
It is impossible for all MPS to attend all debates.
Unless the debate involves how much money they can line their own pockets with.

Compare the attendance on defence related debates, with the attendance on MP's expenses. Do the research yourself, I've got a job, you haven't.
 
#19
Sven said:
tropper66 said:
Sven said:
tomthetinker said:
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
How do you know that they weren't 'in the House' then Tom?
They might have been in the house but they did not show up for the debate It's thursday,the house don't sit on friday it's a case of FOTF
How long was the debate Trops? Did you watch the whole of it? Did the Beeb SHOW all of it?

I'm not suggesting that all MPs were there at some time or another but that there might have been substantially more than you stated. It is impossible for all MPS to attend all debates.
Yes I did watch it all and there was a bit of toing and frowing but there were never more than 15 in the debate.
 
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tomthetinker said:
Sven said:
tomthetinker said:
Where's Guy Fawkes when we need the cnut?

Mind you, with only 15 in the House it'd be a bit of a waste of powder..........

Perhaps we need a 'clock in' system in the House of Commons. MPs clock in and clock out - and receive pay and expenses proportional to the amount of time they spend in the workplace.
How do you know that they weren't 'in the House' then Tom?
They quite possibly were in the House - Either feet up on the desk as they phoned their stockbrokers, or propping up one of the (half dozen) bars that grace that fine establishment. :evil:

An honourable minority might have been trying to do some good in the world; but they're swimming against the tide in that particular sewer.....
Or perhaps they were in committees, or reading mail from their constituents, and perhaps answering them. Perhaps they were meeting those constituents - as they are bounden to do so, whether those constituents have appointments or not. Perhaps they weren't in the House, perhaps they were in Iraq or Afghanistan as a few of them tend to do every now and again, or in their constituencies investigating constituents problems.

Perhaps they were even in another debate elsewhere in the Commons.
 

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