Parents struggling with childcare costs

#1
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Here's a ******* thing… can't afford them, don't have them, and don't expect other people to pay for them - seems pretty basic to me.

Not that I'm a bit pissed off being as how my wife has been forced to switch shifts because some whiny mother, 'I got a new baybee innit' is bitching on at work she can't get a babysitter for her brat one day a week and everyone has to move around to suit her.:pissedoff:
 
#3
What I don't understand is all these single mothers whinging about the cost of childcare,where the **** are the fathers,don't they cough up as well.

Or maybe they don't remember who the father is,eh?

Single mum on BBC Breakfast,she earns £800 per month,working 3 days a week,and then gets £800+ per month child tax credits,the state pension for a single person is about £500 per month,that speaks volumes about "The Welfare State"! :pissedoff:
 
#4
For a lot of families, a second full-time income makes the difference between making ends meet and not. The days are long gone when the average wage poke could support a family on its own.

Basically, childcare is the alternative to income support.
 
#5
Think about the cost benefit thing. Do you want people who have kids but are having a tough time with 1k a month crèche fees to stop working and start claiming every other benefit, living on council estates with pitbulls being scumbags??

you don't want kids? fine my kids won't pay your pension.

swings and roundabouts my friend.
 
#6
It is the first 5 years that are the hardest, we only have one sprog as that is all we can afford (and for me one is enough). As they get older it becomes easier but still expensive.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#7
But there is the rub, the pension holidays taken by companies will stuff most pensioners soon enough and the state will have to step in, the problem is that most of parents with sprogs now are used to over 10 years of having everything done to make their life easy where as those of us with kids grown up are expected to pay for it.
At work its the same, women getting career breaks over a year long to have sprogs at ages where they should know better or be able to afford them. Again the rest of us pick up the slack thanks to Labour and the EU!
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#8
In Germanland we looked at putting little B&T into a Brit nursery which was going to cost about 600 euro a month. Not worth the ex slag working. Little un tried a week and hated it.

Then thought let's why not try a German Kindergarten. You have to book your place through the Stadt and the charges are earnings related. We were charged 65 euro a month for 35 hours a week. (She loved it).

Lazy bitch never did get a job though.
 
#9
You lucky SoB. 65€ a month is a gift!!

I rigth now pay 25% of my net income on a Kindergarten :-/. People with low income get a discount(of up to 100%), we don't.
Anyway:- Good thing is THERE IS childcare=> without that you can't work at all => more expensive for the State (dole payments and stuff)
- Older People usually don't understand this. At their time it was the norm that some relatives where close by so they could drop the child there.
Todays working env. (spec. for graduates) force you to move.
- Todays wages+costs of living make it nearly impossible to raise a family on just one pay-check

AND=> No children today, no pensions in the future.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
Book Reviewer
#10
You lucky SoB. 65€ a month is a gift!!

I rigth now pay 25% of my net income on a Kindergarten :-/. People with low income get a discount(of up to 100%), we don't.
Anyway:- Good thing is THERE IS childcare=> without that you can't work at all => more expensive for the State (dole payments and stuff)
- Older People usually don't understand this. At their time it was the norm that some relatives where close by so they could drop the child there.
Todays working env. (spec. for graduates) force you to move.
- Todays wages+costs of living make it nearly impossible to raise a family on just one pay-check

AND=> No children today, no pensions in the future.
I was paying that as a Sgt. Move to Gutersloh.
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#11
Problem we had
It took virtually all MrsT_B_S's wages to pay for child care.
Problem is you need to pay for all week even though you don't need it.
She and I both worked shifts so we didn't need all week I was the bigger earner so she gave up and looked after little one.
This carried on until last year when the little one went to school although until December she only went 09:00 - 12:00 so we needed to pick her up.

Problem is it only affects those who want to work.
The long term unemployed with no intention iof ever doing a days work are getting far more than any mum who wants to back to work.
 
#12
You lucky SoB. 65€ a month is a gift!!
I'd agree with that, €65 is definitely better that what we're being mugged for €955 for 4 days a week (we're hoping to have a second and the crèche will give us a 10% discount...bless em)

We're currently living in Dublin ( I know I realize my mistake there) but our nearest family is in London.

we did think about an au pair but without her being 18, blond and sweedish I didn't really fancy the idea of allowing a complete stranger in my house with my little fella.

the basic premise though is your damned if you do and damned if you don't in the future as already been said No children today, no pensions in the future.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#13
When we had our sprogs we could only afford to rent a flat on my wages, child care was nursery every morning but it was cheap although our nearest relatives were 100 miles away it would have been of no help as there were less jobs then than now. Nursery was for the childs development not for the mum to earn/keep a second career going!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#14
Its also about living within your means, back then I struggled with rent and bills but eventually got on the housing ladder, nowadays its as if having children isnt supposed to stretch you one little bit. If there is no sacrifice in raising a family which tests the bonds then no wonder families break up so easily nowadays.
 
#15
What I don't understand is all these single mothers whinging about the cost of childcare,where the **** are the fathers,don't they cough up as well.
Oh that's easy!

Mrs SOI: So why can't your old man look after the brat on Fridays?

Miss Change the world I'm speshul coz I got a baby innit: He needs his 'space' and Friday is his night out.
 
#16
Think about the cost benefit thing. Do you want people who have kids but are having a tough time with 1k a month crèche fees to stop working and start claiming every other benefit, living on council estates with pitbulls being scumbags??

you don't want kids? fine my kids won't pay your pension.

swings and roundabouts my friend.
I've had my kids shitfer and they're grown up now, and guess what? Me and the misses chose our jobs and shifts until they were old enough to fend for themselves so one of us was always available to look after them.
But heh! That's called taking responsibility for looking after the kids you CHOOSE to have, innit?
 
#17
The DDR used to have excellent state-provided childcare. That's because it was necessary for both parents to work in order to make a living. You'd see the mothers dropping off the little tykes at 7am before catching the tram to work at the VEB widget factory.
 
#19
I've had my kids shitfer and they're grown up now, and guess what? Me and the misses chose our jobs and shifts until they were old enough to fend for themselves so one of us was always available to look after them.
But heh! That's called taking responsibility for looking after the kids you CHOOSE to have, innit?
Course it is, and myself and the trouble and strife shift and change everything we can to make sure we're with him as much as possible. But the problem with that is you just can't get by on one wage (unless one of you is on pop star wages)

I know we'd be entitled to benefits of various descriptions but we don't claim them, something about pulling yourself up by bootstraps i suppose.
 
#20
When we had our sprogs we could only afford to rent a flat on my wages, child care was nursery every morning but it was cheap although our nearest relatives were 100 miles away it would have been of no help as there were less jobs then than now. Nursery was for the childs development not for the mum to earn/keep a second career going!
Agreed, who said it was easy! And yes, I decided pro children. So I'm happy to pay what is necessary for the childcare.
Nursery is nowadys essential for child and mum. With today divorce laws I'm quiete happy. Only have to pay for a couple of years, after that wife has to look for herself.
So on her side, stopping to work for looking after the child i a big risk. If it goes wrong, she has to find a job again. "...so Miss **, how long you say you didn't work in your job?" Exelent chances on the marked I'd say ;-)

Next thing: We looked long and hard for part time jobs in our field. While we found 100reds of full time jobs, part time? None at all. So its 40hr(+) a week or no work at all.
Still the employer gets pissed when you have to leave at 17:00 'cos the nursery closes at 17:30 so you can't stay for the meeting he just anouced at 16:45 :-/

The only thing that pisses me of is that my generation is supposed to:
-pay for the current pensioneers
-save money for my own pension ('cos demographics say I'll be gettin none/not enougt to live from)
Note: my current pension forecast says I need to reach the age of 145 to get the money I'll have paid in back :)
-be allways mobile and move after your job (so own house out of the question)
-pay for the childcare as children are your own fun and luxury (true still, they are ;-) )
 

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