Parents lie to get their kids in to good schools. Right r wrong?

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#2
I agree.

Planning to send young Master Bushmills to good schools here in OZ and if he boards, it's going to cost $50k per annum.

Can't blame parents for lying, I sure as hell would if I had to!
 
#3
In an ideal world there would be no "bad" or "good" schools. Every school would (should) offer a satisfactory standard. Unfortunately this is not an ideal world..................
 
#4
School fraud laid bare: New figures show 420 cases of parents lying to get children into best establishments | Mail Online

I personally can't fault the parents for trying to get their kids in to the best state school they can...

So what can the Educators do about it? Surely if a school is being actively avoided, it says something about the school. Perhaps it needs more money in order to overcome problems within.
Like Labour proved by throwing twice as much money at the NHS? That won't do it, mate.

What we need are more robust teaching methods (see my posts ad nauseum on dyslexia) and more robust discipline (the problem there, of course, being that we're now in a situation - because things have been allowed to drift for so long - that some parents as well as their hellspawn have no concept of the word).

We also need to get over the ridiculous notion that all children, no matter how disruptive or 'learning impaired' belong in mainstream education.

(In the latter case, I can think of a very courageous article by the parents of a Down's Syndrome girl who were aghast at their daughter being forced into a normal school; as the father said, "She's not learning impaired, my daughter is mentally handicapped."

I've also got direct experience of a friend's son who's autistic and who is bullied mercilessly in a mainstream school; all the teachers will do is say that he "has to learn to cope". Well, no - the poor lad's getting ragged shitless and the bullies are being allowed to get away with it. The teachers are guilty of a terrible dereliction of duty and the lad's only being damaged further.)

Add to that unions that don't conspire to ensure that only 20 per cent of crap teachers are got rid of and we might be getting somewhere...

**** it, where's the rest of that port...
 
#5
It does put in to perspective the Sir Humphrey Appleby quote in the National Education Service episode.

'You can't have good schools, everyone would want to go to them' or words to that ffect.
 
#6
It is all typical of nationalised industries: force people to use what is provided, no matter how bad.

The fix is simple enough, have an internal market, or better yet an external market. i.e. children go where the parents want them to, subject to admission standards, and funding follows the children. Ideally private schools are allowed to get in on the act and get the same funding as the state ones, plus top up fees from the parents. If a school goes bankrupt then it is closed and the head teacher dismissed for gross negligence.

Incidentally, it is a little know fact that state schools existed before “free” education. The problem was nobody wanted to go to them, so the state made them “free” and imposed taxes which ensured that only the rich could afford to send their children anywhere else.
 
#7
Why do I get the feeling that the parents who 'cheat' to get places at 'good'state schools are;
Probably married
In full time employment
The mother knows the name(s) of the father(s)
Tend to know where their sprogs are most of the time
Care about their sprogs doing well for themselves
Know little about 'their rights' and carer UB and other claims to be made from the state?
 
#8
Why do I get the feeling that the parents who 'cheat' to get places at 'good'state schools are;
Probably married
In full time employment
The mother knows the name(s) of the father(s)
Tend to know where their sprogs are most of the time
Care about their sprogs doing well for themselves
Know little about 'their rights' and carer UB and other claims to be made from the state?
Probably those ghastly, pushy mothers, who wear fur coats but no knickers and drive 4x4s on the school run, abandoning them wherever they can park (usually in a space you could get two articulated lorries) in the lanes surrounding the school after using the rear view mirror to freshen up the lippy :D
 
#9
If you lie to get your kids into a decent school, you're denying a place to somebody who *should* be able to get in.

Its fraud.
 
#10
If a school goes bankrupt then it is closed and the head teacher dismissed for gross negligence.

Incidentally, it is a little know fact that state schools existed before “free” education. The problem was nobody wanted to go to them, so the state made them “free” and imposed taxes which ensured that only the rich could afford to send their children anywhere else.


If a school is closed, for whatever reason, there is no need to dismiss anyone for gross negligence. All the staff are made redundant. The good ones will have no trouble finding a job in another school. The bad ones...........

Or course state schools existed before "free" education, and it is hardly surprising that a lot of people didn't send children to them - they weren't free. That was the whole point of the Education Act 1870 - it made primary education both compulsory and free.
 
#12
Parents insist little Johnnie really did write that A*-winning coursework all by himself and the UCAS personal statement about wanting to become a doctor to help all the black babies was his own work too.

"Everybody lies."
 
#13
If you lie to get your kids into a decent school, you're denying a place to somebody who *should* be able to get in.

Its fraud.
So is claiming money under false pretenses, such as an infanteer.

Would I lie to get my daughter into a better school rather than the closer sink estate one? Too ******* right I would.
Why should my kid be penalised in a social experiment school?
Why should my child's education suffer in the name of 'progress' and 'equality'?
I've already looked at, and taken appropriate actions to get my daughter into the school I want for her, where academic achievement is awarded. I'd hate for her to be dragged down, or underachieve due to 'right-on' teaching standards where every child is equal.

B_B, maybe if you paid more attention to your kid, she wouldn't be in a position where leathering her father is an option she feels is justifiable.
 
#14
Rubbish!!!!!!!!:tp:

It's ******* parents like you that teach your ******* horrible little brats
how to cheat & lie their way through life. How they are Entitled
to everything they want, without working for it.
How their mediocrity is applauded...as outstanding!:flower:


While I agree that the rules need changing, they are the rules......
if you get caught lying to get your spoilt screaming brats into a school against the rules....I hope
you're made to look the **** that you are!

If you don't like the system...get it changed or have a vasectomy!:yawn:
 
#16
If Labour was still the governing party, they would be rushing around, employing thousands of nerds to check on prospective parents to see if they were genuine. No effort of course to bring ALL failing state schools up to a decent standard. Just moaning on about 'posh toffs' and Eton. Remember of course who was Education Secretary. Forgotten? None other than the unblinking, public school and Oxford educated Ed Balls!
 
#17
Rubbish!!!!!!!!:tp:

It's ******* parents like you that teach your ******* horrible little brats
how to cheat & lie their way through life. How they are Entitled
to everything they want, without working for it.
How their mediocrity is applauded...as outstanding!

While I agree that the rules need changing, they are the rules......
if you get caught lying to get your spoilt screaming brats into a school against the rules....I hope you're made to look the **** that you are!

If you don't like the system...get it changed
Or bend it or use it ...

I've got a couple of friends who have rented accommodation in the catchment area for the 'good' school, whilst keeping and renting out their 'real' house. I can sort of accept this, but I know that some people move out of the area once their child has started at the school of choice - once you're in, you're in seems to be the rule - and I'm not entirely ethically comfortable with this.

Amusingly, I was talking to a woman t'other day who were rabid socialist (ie, well off) and had argued vehemently with several of her friends about private education. Now she has her own 2 yr old, her views are being somewhat challenged as she considers her child's future and the quality of the local schools.

One option to consider is that a number of private schools offer bursaries that can substantially ease the financial burden of non-state education.

or have a vasectomy!:yawn:
Probably a bit late for that for your respondent, but they could always consider putting them into a children's home or even building a patio ...
 
#18
Why do I get the feeling that the parents who 'cheat' to get places at 'good'state schools are;
Probably married
In full time employment
The mother knows the name(s) of the father(s)
Tend to know where their sprogs are most of the time
Care about their sprogs doing well for themselves
Know little about 'their rights' and carer UB and other claims to be made from the state?
Because you're probably right. You could've just been more succinct by describing them as having a bit of self-pride and actually giving a shit about what goes on outside their own little bubble.
 
#19
Because you're probably right. You could've just been more succinct by describing them as having a bit of self-pride and actually giving a shit about what goes on outside their own little bubble.
By lying and depriving another child of their place in a decent school?
 
#20
Rubbish!!!!!!!!:tp:

It's ******* parents like you that teach your ******* horrible little brats
how to cheat & lie their way through life. How they are Entitled
to everything they want, without working for it.
How their mediocrity is applauded...as outstanding!:flower:


While I agree that the rules need changing, they are the rules......
if you get caught lying to get your spoilt screaming brats into a school against the rules....I hope
you're made to look the **** that you are!

If you don't like the system...get it changed or have a vasectomy!:yawn:
If you wish to have mediocrity as an acceptable standard for your kid's education, then crack on. I don't. I haven't lied to get my daughter into a better school, nor have I 'cheated'. I would have done so, if required, but it wasnt necessary. I followed their rules, filled in the paperwork truthfully and got her where I wanted her. She has to work at the new school, there's plenty of homework. She isn't allowed out to play or watch TV until the homework is finished.
I agree with you about the mediocrity point. Too many schools are happy to have this as a good standard, and won't push kids to up their game. Why would I want my daughter in this type of environment? I don't need to change the system, just the bits affecting my family - simplest way is to make sure she is in a school where I believe academic qualities are admired and are portrayed as desireable.

My daughter is arguably spoiled - she has her own room, tv, dvd, pc, bike, scooter. She had around £400 spent on her this Christmas. I thought she was spoiled, but then, the money I spend on her is earned by the wife and I and I can spend this however I wish. Contrast this with the sink school where the wife works. One of the parents, unemployed and unmarried mother of 5 - different fathers - was bragging that she had spent £500 on each of her feral brood. Those are the ******* you should be spilling your bile at. £2500 on presents, yet unemployed.

Thanks for voicing your opinion though, misguided as it was.
 

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