Paratroopers: Weak exits & Static-Line Problems

#1
Of interest to Paras, and others interested in Airborne operations. I must say, these are some of the worst exits that I have ever seen. It's a wonder that some were not injured. 8O

Link.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRHi9OlmWjs
 
#4
Trip_Wire said:
Of interest to Paras, and others interested in Airborne operations. I must say, these are some of the worst exits that I have ever seen. It's a wonder that some were not injured. 8O

Link.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRHi9OlmWjs
Nice post mate. Great footage. Goes to show the importance of not flopping out the door like a cripple. It is p@ss funny if your the bloke following them though...
 
#5
That bloke at the end of the video (2min 50 secs) actually managed to halt his descent in the slipstream! It also looks as if he popped a securing strap on his container during the feck up.

One lucky bloke!
 
#7
Critically poor despatching technique with a gaylord stood, arms raised YMCA style, focussed on clearing the static lines. No effort made to steady or stabilise the trainees into and through the door.
 
#8
I think on of them managed to sit down and have a cup of tea before pushing himself off. There didn't seem to be any urgency to move him on either.
 

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#9
Imagine the state of them if they had decent sized containers in a packed c130 rather than handbags and all the space in the world!
 
#10
Static lines not checked by PJI/Jumpmasters. The guy next to the PJI? is doing nothing to assist him. As you can see they are being left to their own devices when the stick comes to a standstill. Once that happens and the momentum is lost you will get bad exits.

With the RAF. The PJI always checked your static line was being held correctly. The two PJI's from Brize on your stick that are always in the door, keep the momentum going and that helps you to at least get a launch off the step.

When we did Purple Pants in '96. The Yank PJI just stood there while we all ran out the door. Spoke to some of the US lads later who had jumped with the RAF system with our PJI's and they preferred it.
 
#12
civvygit said:
Static lines not checked by PJI/Jumpmasters. The guy next to the PJI? is doing nothing to assist him. As you can see they are being left to their own devices when the stick comes to a standstill. Once that happens and the momentum is lost you will get bad exits.

With the RAF. The PJI always checked your static line was being held correctly. The two PJI's from Brize on your stick that are always in the door, keep the momentum going and that helps you to at least get a launch off the step.

When we did Purple Pants in '96. The Yank PJI just stood there while we all ran out the door. Spoke to some of the US lads later who had jumped with the RAF system with our PJI's and they preferred it.
Purple Helmet was a good indication of how two methods differ. If memory serves me correctly, more blokes piled in from the Yanks then RAF.

Can remember a lad from 9 Sqn had a double failure and broke just about everything - only skin holding him together.
 
#13
Older_by_the_day said:
bob_lawlaw said:
Critically poor despatching technique
Isn't there quite a difference between the US style of dispatch and the UK one?
I just can't imagine sitting in the door!
The drills from a C-130 differ from the US to British Airborne style. Instead of turning into the door at 90 degrees then giving it a good old chest leading exit, the spams go out at 45 degrees or thereabouts, almost hitting the sill.

This inevitably leads to counting rivets and twists a Ghurka would be proud of :D
 
#14
Geordie_Blerk said:
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The drills from a C-130 differ from the US to British Airborne style. Instead of turning into the door at 90 degrees then giving it a good old chest leading exit, the spams go out at 45 degrees or thereabouts, almost hitting the sill.

This inevitably leads to counting rivets and twists a Ghurka would be proud of :D
Any idea what their logic is for this?
 
#15
Bravo2nothing said:
Can remember a lad from 9 Sqn had a double failure and broke just about everything - only skin holding him together.
Yeah he was a really good bloke and only got out a few years back. Was on crutches for years! I think he had a leg amputated in the end.
 
#16
Outstanding said:
Geordie_Blerk said:
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The drills from a C-130 differ from the US to British Airborne style. Instead of turning into the door at 90 degrees then giving it a good old chest leading exit, the spams go out at 45 degrees or thereabouts, almost hitting the sill.

This inevitably leads to counting rivets and twists a Ghurka would be proud of :D
Any idea what their logic is for this?
There was a change in the mid-90s. IIRC the determination was made based on, well whatever the powers that be base it on, that walking out at an angle on the C-130s was safer per 1,000 jumpers than the old (now Brit) method. It was a difficult mental transition to make for those of us used to the old method.

My memory is hazy on that but maybe some US member will correct or add to it.
 
#17
I was on Ex Caltrop Force, Hunter Ligget training area, California in 1989. We were jumping with American kit at night from a C141 Starlifter. On exiting, No1 port side, dislodged the static line retrieval cable with his helmet which made it hang about face level right in front of the door.

Various blokes in the stick pointed this out to the US PJI who, without halting the stick or aborting for another pass, tried to unsuccessfully "tuck" it away.

In the end, one of our guys - No25 or so exited with the cable around his neck. It peeled his neck and face like a banana and if it wasn't for the fact that his head and neck bent right back (wearing T10 parachute - smaller than the then PX4) he would have been decapitated.

He had terrible injuries and was casevaced that night back to UK. He eventually recovered and is still jumping yet but the follow up investigation, BOI, or whatever the Americans call it dragged on for years.

I seem to recall the results been a discharge from the army and/or fines for the personnel involved.

Most of us jumping that night from that particular aircraft were British and the incident had nothing to do with individual jumpers bad drills or exits but rather a conglomeration of slack, forgotten checks by the PJI's.

As a whole the Americans are extremely professional in their parachuting but to bring this thread back on track - the original video is hideous to watch if you've any experience of military parachuting.
 
#18
Dunno about horrific, just hard to fathom and (for me at least) difficult to imagine sitting in the door or doing some of the things shown.
Have had some odd things happen (upside down with feet in rigging lines :)) but....
Guess you don't always get to see yourelf jump on video either!
 
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