PARAS DEPLOYING = FANFARES!

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#1
Jut seen this flashing up on the banner:

2 PARA DEPLOY TO IRAQ

Now, are these just another unit deploying or are they are,in true Sun headline style-e "Top Army Paras deploy to save Iraq!"? Does it always have to be that the Airborne Bdes deploy to raptures and street parades whilst the rest of the Army, especially those from Germany. deploy quietly and just go. Media courting??

Discuss.
 
#2
The return from the Falklands was the opposite.

The Paras came back unnoticed while the Booties had bands and all sorts.

Surely we should all have parades and such like.
 
#4
Clearly this is heresy - but I think it is their turn!

1 RHF deploying part of their battalion for a third tour - no fanfare - and another Xmas as well.
 
#5
goatbag you should leave the paras alone as they have had to live with the fact that parachuting into a war zone as a battlion has been obsolete since....well, since before they ever did their first one.
 
#6
Regardless of what your views are about the parachute battalions - and airborne soldiers in general - the fact remains that good effective PR is something the Army does very badly indeed.

Our stock is dwindling everyday, as more stories of bullying and suicides reach the eyes and ears of the 'gatekeepers' - the mothers and wives of our soldiers, and perhaps more importantly, the next generation of young soldiers. In addition, our involvement in Iraq is being seen increasingly by a far wider section of the community as 'unjust' and 'unlawful'.

Against this background, and mindful that we need to address this alarming situation rapidly - and do it by ourselves - I am delighted that the imminent deployment of 2 PARA to Iraq has made it all the way to the pages of the Scum. It reminds the readership that our people are still there, still delivering miracles against all odds, in spite being thoroughly pi$$ed around by all manner of politicians and their lackeys.

The question is this - what will Bliar do when the situation reaches tipping point, in say 10 months time when Op HERRICK ramps up, and another 5000-odd toms disappear back to Afghan? His ability to be 'at the centre of Europe' will all but disappear., and he's absolutely buggered if the firemen pull another shameless money grabbing stunt.

The PWRR are going back to Iraq. 300 of their soldiers have signed off in disgust.

Yes....300. I suggest we're nearing the fulcrum.....
 
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space_cadet said:
goatbag you should leave the paras alone as they have had to live with the fact that parachuting into a war zone as a battlion has been obsolete since....well, since before they ever did their first one.
Fair One.

Darth_Doctrinus said:
The PWRR are going back to Iraq. 300 of their soldiers have signed off in disgust.

Yes....300. I suggest we're nearing the fulcrum.....
I understand the "being away from home" - everyone is suffering fom it at the moment. I know several regts which have completed 13 months out of 18 months away with a 5 and a half monthtour interval. Not good and does not bode well as D_D says.

GBTD

P.S. Am not Para bashing - never would, a fine collection of men. Just stating that the media love them.
 
#8
I'm all for the general celebration and hurraying that accompanies a parafruit Bn's deployment. The heartfelt sense of relief and gratitude that the rest of the Army feels must be allowed out, it's great for morale.

I'm sure the rest of them will work double hard to talk about themselves in the absence of their bretheren.
 
#9
Darth_Doctrinus said:
...our involvement in Iraq is being seen increasingly by a far wider section of the community as 'unjust' and 'unlawful'.
Sorry D_D, I fail to see how deploying a para bn is going to redeem this state of affairs.
For the record, I don't think that the paras are entirely responsible for the short-sighted adulation that the media heap upon them - but I can't say I've ever heard one of the m complain about it either.
 
#10
Stickybomb - re-read the sense of my post.

I was commenting on our approach to PR - not implying that this specific organisation will deploy with a magical bag of tricks that will 'fix Iraq'.

Are you suggesting that our parachute infantry are, in some way, rowdy and prone to illegal acts? ;)

Sorry if that wasn't clear.
 
#11
I understand your post D_D but until either the public perception of our involvement in Iraq changes or we pull out, no amount of testosterone-fuelled pseudo-reporting in the tabloids is going to improve our stock. It might get all the para wannabees unnecessarily moist but unless there is a message in that para story that will cut some ice with the ever-hardening mindset of the anti-war civvy, then it is a waste of effort.

I think you are spot on about the military PR machine being unable to grasp an opportunity with both hands and a flashlight though.

And no, as far as our airborne elite are concerned I can honestly say that in the twenty years that I have known them everything just came away in their hands or it was like that when they found it. Durch! :D
 
#13
Aren't most units that deploy generally written up as "elite" or "crack"? or indeed when any unit appears in the paper under a headline that isn't in some way bad.

I have read one or two stories in newspapers about units, and of the top of my head, such as the Green Howards, the Guards (esp with Harry) the Household Cav and a number of others.

If the Para's are getting a good send off, good on them and good drills for who ever got in touch with the journos (Adjt?). As has been said before, the journos love to pour scandal on us when we muck up, let's get a bit of the what we are doing well in the papers.

(OK, admittedly the Scum hasn't got enough pages for all the good things we do)
 
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chocolate_frog said:
If the Para's are getting a good send off, good on them and good drills for who ever got in touch with the journos (Adjt?). As has been said before, the journos love to pour scandal on us when we muck up, let's get a bit of the what we are doing well in the papers.

(OK, admittedly the Scum hasn't got enough pages for all the good things we do)
Will pass that on - though those who know the Adjt (yup I'm 1) would be surprised that he's the 1 getting in touch with the journos ....

As others say we need good news stories - too much being made of 'let's knock green' - bullying, 'war crimes' etc etc etc very often just broken with a story by journos shedding tears and wringing their hands over those in the Army who have sadly given the ultimate sacrifice.

I may be a civvie (though with Mil background) and a lawyer too (go easy here on me guys) but I'm proud to represent the Armed forces, proud to call them my friends and proud of what they do.

I still remember coming back from a success in Hohne with all the guys and going to Belsen. Their revereance their respect and their horror of what happened there was instantly apparent. Too little of that is shown by the media that all the guys do care, do think and should be supported.
 
#15
One minute the arrse forums slag of the Sun for their inaccurate reporting.....then on the next breathe the are slating the Reg for being inaccurately reported on in the bl**dy paper!!! I guess you guys believe the rubbish in the Sun as much as the chavs on the street despite the banners wanting a boycot of the rag!!!! Yours confused TCF
 

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#16
This is moving from a "Slag Paras" to a "well the Scum is nice". Now I have been accused (and found guilty) of slagging the Paras in previous threads - and I make no apology for that, but if the question of morale and boosting the enthusiasm of the army as a whole, including support arms, why is it that there are Fanfares for Paras deploying? They are going to do a job that all infantry do in peace keeping operations. They will be there, hopefully, not as an elite force for the Generals(aka politicians) to use as such, but as a line battalion.
 
#17
I find it more interesting that the article merely highlights 2 PARA deployment and makes small light of the fact that there will be another 3500 troops from 7 Armd Bde deploying at the same time.

Something to do with the fact that they are 'hidden' in Germany?
 
#18
SpeckledJim said:
The fanfares wont last long. TF Eagle is pretty grim and they will be sharing with an Aussie Cav Regt - light touch paper and stand well back!
is that why they have been sent to the iraqs "quiet quarter" on the hope that
a. it will keep them out of trouble
b it will keep them out of trouble.

one of my mates did optag for them. could not quite see the 2 para showing the same restraint had by the lads in basrah the other month.

but i am sure 6 months patrollling an area the size of wales will keep them occupied. if not i bet the aussies get a tanking, love to see that the ignorant colonials!
 
#19
space_cadet said:
goatbag you should leave the paras alone as they have had to live with the fact that parachuting into a war zone as a battlion has been obsolete since....well, since before they ever did their first one.
Its not about being able to jump in its about what jumping from a servicable aircraft at 800ft in total darkness with 100lb of kit and 50lb of parachute takes from a man. It breeds all manner of things in a man, but above all a self belief that you can suceed and never let a fellow airborne soldier or your own reputation down. If I dont nail a bpfa in under 8 mins or some harry ever beat me he would say "I beat the para" therefore they aspire to acheive our standards.

Fanfares - f*ck that we know were no1, as a general once said to us "I like the fact that airborne forces have never lost a battle......and when you have you havent realised"

ABTF...no fanfares for harrys
 
#20
Darth_Doctrinus said:
Our stock is dwindling everyday, as more stories of bullying and suicides reach the eyes and ears of the 'gatekeepers' - the mothers and wives of our soldiers, and perhaps more importantly, the next generation of young soldiers. In addition, our involvement in Iraq is being seen increasingly by a far wider section of the community as 'unjust' and 'unlawful'.


The question is this - what will Bliar do when the situation reaches tipping point, in say 10 months time when Op HERRICK ramps up, and another 5000-odd toms disappear back to Afghan? His ability to be 'at the centre of Europe' will all but disappear., and he's absolutely buggered if the firemen pull another shameless money grabbing stunt.

The PWRR are going back to Iraq. 300 of their soldiers have signed off in disgust.

Yes....300. I suggest we're nearing the fulcrum.....
fairly worrying also i have seen comments bandied about on here and elsewhere about the posibilty of using Adults in the ACF to fill gaps.
while i don't mind doing my bit for my country, going to Iraq and have 6 months of my life put on hold til i get back is a bit much, not something i would go out of my way for and i did not sign up for that.

minding a TA centre or support roles in UK is ok by me, i am not trained for war zone work same as many other instructors including even the walts who would get wet and moist at the prospect of "real" action until reality hits them, when bits of brain and blood is splattered over their faces, Rambo film it isn't, there is no clean deaths in real life.
 

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