Paras death in police custody

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The Family should go for a civil action on this matter. It is most unsactifactory that those responsible have evaded the due course of Law. I do hope somebody like Michael Mansfield QC will pick up on this verdict. Then again what do you expect from Humberside Constabulary, they screwed up on releasing vital information that could of prevented Ian Huntley from working in the position he did when the Soham murders took place.
 
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I wonder if their treatment of him had anything to do with the fact that he was black?
 
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Andyroo said:
I wonder if their treatment of him had anything to do with the fact that he was black?
It's funny how when someone dies in Police custody,there is usually a outcry from various 'do-gooder' groups but in this case,those voices are strangly silent.
A 'suspected terrorist' & illigal is shot on the tube & all hell breaks loose,but a British Citizen who fought for his country dies in Police custody & no one bats a eyelid!
And the 5 coppers on duty ignored the moans from the cell which were.according to the news,audible on the cell's security tape, get away with the force being 'critisized'.
There should be a public enquiry or will this one go in the bin as well?
Spike
 
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I watched the programme with the cctv footage of Christopher Alder dying on that floor, it was absolutely appalling the way that man was treat that night, no one deserves to be treat in such a callous way. The comments that the police made as that man lay dying was disgraceful and no one had a shred of decency to so much as call a doctor much less pull his trousers up.
I hope justice is done.
R.I. P
 
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Before you all winge and bleat like total hypocrites..try doing the job yourselves !!!

It is not unlike the troops beating iraqi prisoners up but without the beating. The guy WAS NOT in a cell he was in open custody. AND IT WAS 8 YEARS AGO FFS

Give the Police a chance before you all nail the coffin lid shut.
 
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The incident also led to policies being put in place to prevent this kind of incident happening again which I can personally state that work. Working in this environment every day I can say that the common criminal already has enough tree hugging support to help him or her along.

The bastwards get three meals a day for robbing and burgling and stealing cars yet a homeless ex squaddy has to rummage in bins..big pictures please.
 

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medman82 said:
Before you all winge and bleat like total hypocrites..try doing the job yourselves !!!

It is not unlike the troops beating iraqi prisoners up but without the beating. The guy WAS NOT in a cell he was in open custody. AND IT WAS 8 YEARS AGO FFS

Give the Police a chance before you all nail the coffin lid shut.
"Hey, those Nazi death camps, it was SIXTY YEARS ago, give it a rest, eh?"

Doesn't work, does it?

A gang of coppers stood around watching someone die and cracking jokes about it, not really much like some YBHs getting a shoeing during a riot, is it?

What sort of chance do the cops need, here? There's been an investigation, despite the best efforts of Humberside Plod and they've got a result - guilty as hell, but no further action taken and in the mean time a someone's husband, someone's father, has effectively been killed by their negligence and what looked oddly like racism. We're all excited because he was an ex-Para, but it's not an unusual story, is it?
 
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From what i have seen on this case (and that is only what has been published in mainstream media), i am appauled at the police constables in question. They were shown to stand around whilst the deceased choked on his own blood and vomit virtually in front of them. That is criminal negligence and they should be made to pay for their inactions! :evil:

Another gripe of mine was the head of the black police officers federation using this as yet another chance to play the race card. Would he have given a shit if the deceased had been a whiteman? Me thinks not! :evil:
 
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medman82 said:
The incident also led to policies being put in place to prevent this kind of incident happening again which I can personally state that work. Working in this environment every day I can say that the common criminal already has enough tree hugging support to help him or her along.

The bastwards get three meals a day for robbing and burgling and stealing cars yet a homeless ex squaddy has to rummage in bins..big pictures please.
The government give you authority over the detention of civilians, and as such it is your ultimate responsibility for their care and safety. Whilst this may leave a bad taste in the mouth when in relation to scum like West and the James Bulger killers, it is still your duty. Stand by it or don't accept the powers granted as part of the job.

Edited for mong grammar. Mlllaaaaarrrr.....
 
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Medman_82, it doesn't matter what job you do, no one with an ounce of decency would leave anyone in such a state and make derogatory remarks whilst doing so, unless your sick in the head of course. And..before you get on your high horse with comments of 'Try doing the job yourselves'...perhaps some of us do already!!
 
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Very much understand the cliche of 'putting yourselves in their shoes' and so on but regardless of that, from what I've seen, the duty of care shown was virtually non-existent and late-coming. IMO no matter what excuse someone may want to add to it or how long ago it was - it is a wrong and worse still, the wrong cost a man his life and two kids their father.
 
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Medman, I'm not sure but wasn't he handcuffed, hands behind his back, lying face down while he died? Or am I mistaken, cos if he was then being in an open custody area wouldn't matter.... Oh wait, he was dying, so no matter where he was it wouldn't really matter would it?

Beebs
 
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The officers arrested him for being a total knob while medical staff treated him at hospital; good lad, lets batter nurses. They then wrongly believed he was pretending to lapse in and out of consciousness, as such they lay him, wrongly, face down on the floor - cold floor = stop pretending you cnut; they made a mistake - they didn't have the mdeical expertise to realise he wasn't faking his current condition. He, very sadly, died. This was nearly a decade ago, there has been big changes in the procedures to be used in custody etc, at the time those officers weren't doing something they most probably have not done before. If you seriously think it was intentional.... well lets just hang them - after all they are police officers; everyones favourite criminals.
 
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Manky, wasn't having a pop at the officer involved, just Medman and his reaction. Yes, he was arrested for a valid reason. No, none of the officers had medical training that would allow them to asses the situation and make a better decision than the one made. BUT even now, ten years later, or better still, what if it had been you there, ten years ago. No new guidelines to govern your reaction to the situation. Would you have stood by and ignored him?

Beebs the Devils Advocate.
 
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medman82 said:
Before you all winge and bleat like total hypocrites..try doing the job yourselves !!!

It is not unlike the troops beating iraqi prisoners up but without the beating. The guy WAS NOT in a cell he was in open custody. AND IT WAS 8 YEARS AGO FFS

Give the Police a chance before you all nail the coffin lid shut.

You're not a Policeman though are you?
 
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manchestercop said:
The officers arrested him for being a total knob while medical staff treated him at hospital; good lad, lets batter nurses. They then wrongly believed he was pretending to lapse in and out of consciousness, as such they lay him, wrongly, face down on the floor - cold floor = stop pretending you cnut; they made a mistake - they didn't have the mdeical expertise to realise he wasn't faking his current condition. He, very sadly, died. This was nearly a decade ago, there has been big changes in the procedures to be used in custody etc, at the time those officers weren't doing something they most probably have not done before. If you seriously think it was intentional.... well lets just hang them - after all they are police officers; everyones favourite criminals.
Whilst there is no excuse for abusing medical staff, the deceased had been in a fight and was suffering from a head injury and possible concussion. If the police knew this at the time, i am unsure; but that does not excuse their inaction! It's all very well saying that it was years ago, and the constable's did not have the correct training to deal with it, but that does not bring back the deceased. I don't think there was deliberate attempt to allow him to die whilst in custody. Despite that, their inactions were directly responsible for the death. They must be made to face that!!!
 
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Beebs it was just a general reply, but I'll reply to you now (you just want my attention don't you :D), I honestly can't say if I would have stood by or not - I wasn't there; not a cop out (no pun intended) I assure you. I can understand the officers "you're a cnut and we're going to ignore all your stupid behaviour" attitude, I do it but clearly - partly due to this incident - we don't ignore potential medical situations; it protects us and the criminal. They took the attitude a lot of officers take, ignore all the ploys criminals use to be a pain in the arrse, except they ignored a medical 'ploy', which they later, i'm sure to their sincerest regret, discovered to not be a ploy. A criminal and ex-parachute regiment soldier sadly died - died needlessly for lack of training and awareness.
 

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