Paramedic joining the TA

#1
Asking on behalf of somone looking to join my unit.

We have space for RAMC capbadges within my yeomanry unit. The person looking to join is already a civilian paramedic. Does their civilian qualification count for anything or will they have to go off and do a CMT3 course if they want to be a medic when wearing MTP as well as in Civvie street?
 
#2
counts for very little but will exempt them from cmt3 at the very least .
 
#4
SF (R) and the RAF Reserves are happy to recruit paramedics direct and use them in a suitable role, so it's a pity the rest of the military can't catch up as well.

JP
 
#5
counts for very little but will exempt them from cmt3 at the very least .
Which is totally stupid, which the powers that be ought to recognise. As a CMT1 I had to do a further years training to become reg as a civ paramedic - so its just stupid that they (the military) wouldn't recognise it straight away in reverse
 
#6
AFAIK it is changing, just very, very slowly.

The military are sending more people to train as paramedics through the civvie route, and to do this you have to be a CMT 1 or an RAF medic already, so it makes no sense that a paramedic can't be recognised as a higher level of training within the military.

Like I said SF MSW has paramedics as do the RAF SAR and MERT, so it is recognised as a qualification in some parts of the military, it's just that most people and units speak on medical issues and skills from a position of ignorance, and don't understand the difference between them all.

JP
 
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#9
As a further question, what do CMT2 and CMT1 cover that a civvie paramedic degree doesn't out of interest?
 
#10
Don't forget there are many things a CMT learns, and does, that a "normal" paramedic in civvie street does not.
 
#12
SF (R) and the RAF Reserves are happy to recruit paramedics direct and use them in a suitable role, so it's a pity the rest of the military can't catch up as well.

JP
I'm ashamed to say that my cap badges TA seem to be a complete bunch of queens. An ex reg CMT cant join as a CMT unless you work front-line, even if you're civvy qualified, a suitably (more) qualified civvy has to go and do the courses rather than just one conversion to "the army way".

RAMC TA, stuff them and go either shade of blue
 
#13
As a further question, what do CMT2 and CMT1 cover that a civvie paramedic degree doesn't out of interest?
Admin and paperwork for one thing, and recognising that what you want to have to hand, and what you actually have to hand may be quite different. You need to learn the improvisation mindset.

The kit can be different as well - I've seen people about to light a tilly lamp that they'd just charged with meths
 
#14
Why any Paramedic would want to join the TA under the current conditions is completely beyond me.

Until we are treated as HCPs in the same way that other medical professions are, ie: commissionable, tell them to poke it.
 
#15
Admin and paperwork for one thing, and recognising that what you want to have to hand, and what you actually have to hand may be quite different. You need to learn the improvisation mindset.

The kit can be different as well - I've seen people about to light a tilly lamp that they'd just charged with meths
So, a month of tictacs and bundook thrusting followed by 2 weeks of this is a 12x12 and this is the admin. Of course, that's assuming that a Paramedic will be employed as a CMT, ie: tentage and med clerk, which common sense would dictate would be a complete waste of them as a resource.

Paramedics should have access to med commissions in the same way as other med professions, then they'd go through the tarts and vicars course and come out a rupert. Job jobbed.
 
#16
AFAIK it is changing, just very, very slowly.

The military are sending more people to train as paramedics through the civvie route, and to do this you have to be a CMT 1 or an RAF medic already, so it makes no sense that a paramedic can't be recognised as a higher level of training within the military.

Like I said SF MSW has paramedics as do the RAF SAR and MERT, so it is recognised as a qualification in some parts of the military, it's just that most people and units speak on medical issues and skills from a position of ignorance, and don't understand the difference between them all.

JP

SAR winchmen are Air Loadmasters who are trained as paramedics; they are all regulars.

The RAuxAF aeromed sqn is based at RAF Brize Norton as part of Tac Med Wg. They recruit qualified paramedics, who are then trained as Flight Medics. The training consists of a three week ground phase, then a flying phase. The AE course is undertaken with regulars and is a mix of nurses, paramedics and medics (with the occasional MDSS tech and mental health nurse).

RAuxAF Flight Medics work alongside regulars and suitable reserve paramedics can do MERT, and they also fly with CCAST as well as other aeromed flights.

There are a limited number of slots on some smaller sqns elsewhere.

RAuxAF paramedics can commission, too, but as MSO. However, officers responsible for the paramedic cadre are paramedics.
 
#17
The MSO commissioning option is a non clinical commission and available to anyone who might wish to apply.

An insult to the profession..........
 
#18
So, a month of tictacs and bundook thrusting followed by 2 weeks of this is a 12x12 and this is the admin. Of course, that's assuming that a Paramedic will be employed as a CMT, ie: tentage and med clerk, which common sense would dictate would be a complete waste of them as a resource.

Paramedics should have access to med commissions in the same way as other med professions, then they'd go through the tarts and vicars course and come out a rupert. Job jobbed.
Then you'd end up with no TA other ranks, and no one to put the tents up. You have to be Paramedic/A&E nurse/similar to be a CMT. CMT is the regi dogsbody who does all the support work that goes with a Field Ambulance/Hospital, as well as the core trade. AMS(TA) wants people far better qualified than neccesary to do the daily nonsense, so any CMT(V) finding himself being the G10 storeman is likely to not be all that happy.

Madness
 
#19
Yes, Medical Support Wing, used to be Medical Support Unit. Agree with the comissioning (fat chance it ever happening though), but I'd be happy with a SNCO position after say a year or so, but I'm not happy to join and spend my life setting up tents or doing admin or making brews for officers the the whole time. Am looking at joining 4626 SQN or SF (R) as somewhere where the skills can be used and I'd suggest any other paramedics do likewise if they're thinking of a reserve role.

JP
 
#20
Why any Paramedic would want to join the TA under the current conditions is completely beyond me.

Until we are treated as HCPs in the same way that other medical professions are, ie: commissionable, tell them to poke it.
CMT as a commissionable role will never fly, it's a ridiculous idea - it's like having commissioned drivers in the RCT.

A driver *can* be commissioned, but not to be a driver - it would be as an administrative role
 

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