Pap 10

#1
Please, I know it's like flogging a dead horse but could any admin staff give a steer in the right direction. Looks like I'm going to be PAP 10 at some point under admin discharged under medical grounds, i have served 18 years on the AFPS 75 will i be entitled to any sort of ip or will it preserved until I'm in the 60 age group. I also have loss of hearing nothing above 150 db if that makes any sense in my left ear any ideas on compo for that. A lot of Qs i know but sometimes it's quicker to get the answer on here.
 
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#2
You're obviously still serving so you should have access to a Dii terminal with which to read PAP 10 v3. I'd also suggest you read JSP 765 (AFCS) which again is available through Dii and take a look at the links posted in other threads e.g. veterans website, UK legislation website etc.

I'm not trying to be dismissive but you haven't really given enough info to make a reasonable guess on your potential entitlement, more than likely for very good reasons, but I'd really suggest you first speak to your unit admin staff with whom I'd hope you can discuss things a bit more freely.

As for your hearing, battling for hearing loss compensation can be quite difficult however the potential level of compensation can be ascertained by reading JSP 765, if the hearing loss happened post April 2005, if it happened pre April 2005 it comes under the War pension Scheme.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
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#4
Just slightly off topic. Could there be an argument that due to being PAP 10d because you are unfit to carry out your job, would you be within your rights to cease going to work pending discharge? Just asking.
 
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#6
Just slightly off topic. Could there be an argument that due to being PAP 10d because you are unfit to carry out your job, would you be within your rights to cease going to work pending discharge? Just asking.
The short answer is no. Reason is the OP is being administratively discharged because he/she cannot do the job for the PID they are employed against, not because they can't do any work or it's not safe for them to work.
 

B_AND_T

MIA
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#7
But to be PAP10d you must be unfit to carry out you current job and are not suitable to work in any other areas.
 
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#8
But to be PAP10d you must be unfit to carry out you current job and are not suitable to work in any other areas.
Not quite correct. As part of the admin discharge/PAP 10 process if your PES is lower than your CEG requires you can apply to stay in and be transferred to any Arm/Corps that will employ you, Chapter 10 of PAP 10 v3 refers.
 
#9
But to be PAP10d you must be unfit to carry out you current job and are not suitable to work in any other areas.
You've lost my phone number again haven't you?
 

B_AND_T

MIA
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#10
But if he can't be employed elsewhere?

Sluggy, it's at home.
 
#12
Please, I know it's like flogging a dead horse but could any admin staff give a steer in the right direction. Looks like I'm going to be PAP 10 at some point under admin discharged under medical grounds, i have served 18 years on the AFPS 75 will i be entitled to any sort of ip or will it preserved until I'm in the 60 age group. I also have loss of hearing nothing above 150 db if that makes any sense in my left ear any ideas on compo for that. A lot of Qs i know but sometimes it's quicker to get the answer on here.
Looking into hearing loss myself, some may find this interesting with regard to how loss is ACTUALLY calculated. It is not a %.....also if you are in the Med Cent dont just ask if you are h3 h3 but what is the decibel range. If you are told your loss is 50db then that means you cannot hear anything below this,

EG the simple scale is as follows.

Normal hearing down to 20 dB
Mild hearing loss 21 to 40 dB
Moderate hearing loss 41 to 60 dB
Severe hearing loss 61 to 90 dB
Profound hearing loss below 90 dB

Cheers
 
#13
Could anyone be able to tell me if you are given P8 grading (medical discharge) on Full Medical Board, do you have to come to work? My unit has conflicting view about this as the RCMO and RMO think you don't have to come to work but on the other hand my company OC and 2IC (who is also a Welfare Officer) think it just means I am unfit for work however they can still allocate me some other tasks such as a runner. On Full Medical Board I was told to start de-kitting. Could anyone direct me where can I find the answer for this? Many thanks//
 
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#14
Could anyone be able to tell me if you are given P8 grading (medical discharge) on Full Medical Board, do you have to come to work? My unit has conflicting view about this as the RCMO and RMO think you don't have to come to work but on the other hand my company OC and 2IC (who is also a Welfare Officer) think it just means I am unfit for work however they can still allocate me some other tasks such as a runner. On Full Medical Board I was told to start de-kitting. Could anyone direct me where can I find the answer for this? Many thanks//
You should have been given a copy of PAP 10 Annex 10 post FMB which should indicate the medical boards recommendation whether you should:

a. Remain in Hospital
b. Proceed on Leave
c. Remain on Leave
d. Return to your Unit

This should have been distributed as follows:

CO/OC unit
Col Relevant MS Branch
Individual
APC Medical Discharge Cell MP 445

If you haven't got a copy, ring the Med Board clerk, you can get this from your Med Centre if you don't have it already.

Hope this helps.
 
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#15
Further to my post above, from PAP 10 table 7:

P8:

P (Physical) JMES MND -
Medically unfit for Service.
The individual fulfils one or more of the following:
- Unable to perform the individual’s primary employment/CEG with reasonable adaptation and restrictions.
- Unable to attend work for 32.5 hours per week.
- Employment would exacerbate the individual’s condition and have a significant effect on the individual’s health.
- Unable to deploy, including on local exercises in any capacity.

U (Strength, range of movement and general efficiency of upper arms, shoulder and upper back) JMES MND -
Unable to write, use a telephone and operate IT or other office equipment.
Unable to pass a weapons handling test.
Unable to wear full current in-Service operational body armour or the minimum theatre entry standard body armour.

Should your unit not be following the advice of the Medical Board and you believe what they are doing may be detrimental to your health or impeding any potential improvement/recovery, then discuss this with your unit CoC and make sure they are aware that should this continue then you may consider taking legal action if you suffer problems as a result of their actions.
 
#16
Could anyone be able to tell me if you are given P8 grading (medical discharge) on Full Medical Board, do you have to come to work? My unit has conflicting view about this as the RCMO and RMO think you don't have to come to work but on the other hand my company OC and 2IC (who is also a Welfare Officer) think it just means I am unfit for work however they can still allocate me some other tasks such as a runner. On Full Medical Board I was told to start de-kitting. Could anyone direct me where can I find the answer for this? Many thanks//
I am making the assumption that you have already spent a period of time 'Sick at Home', presumably with a 'P0' grading, and that you have either already attended a FMB who have graded you 'P8'/or are about to attend a FMB with an expectation of being graded 'P8'.

You are, therefore, expected and required to engage in recovery activity. Part of this activity is to maintain contact with your unit, contact which should be achieved either through unit visits to your SAH address or through you visiting your unit in their normal location (the latter being far more advantageous to you as it allows you to sort out important admin such as claims, resettlement activity, and PEN 1 completion, as well as maintaining contact with your mates).

The other part is to engage in Core Recovery Events, resettlement activity, etc, and I would strongly recommend that you start (and you probably should already have done so) this activity immediately; and that you maximise the tremendous amount of advice and opportunity that you will be exposed to once you start this process.

You would not, however, be expected or required to undertake work-related activity at your parent unit. Your unit has access to an affiliated PRU who can advise them on the complete process if necessary.
 
#17
I am making the assumption that you have already spent a period of time 'Sick at Home', presumably with a 'P0' grading, and that you have either already attended a FMB who have graded you 'P8'/or are about to attend a FMB with an expectation of being graded 'P8'.

You are, therefore, expected and required to engage in recovery activity. Part of this activity is to maintain contact with your unit, contact which should be achieved either through unit visits to your SAH address or through you visiting your unit in their normal location (the latter being far more advantageous to you as it allows you to sort out important admin such as claims, resettlement activity, and PEN 1 completion, as well as maintaining contact with your mates).

The other part is to engage in Core Recovery Events, resettlement activity, etc, and I would strongly recommend that you start (and you probably should already have done so) this activity immediately; and that you maximise the tremendous amount of advice and opportunity that you will be exposed to once you start this process.

You would not, however, be expected or required to undertake work-related activity at your parent unit. Your unit has access to an affiliated PRU who can advise them on the complete process if necessary.
 
#18
Thank you very much. That make sense to me looking at Appendix 12 para 5: "Contact your unit, cease all military duties and then commence transition activities". Also, QR 9.386 under which I am being discharge (grade upgraded by Full Med Board from P7 to P8 recently) says, I quote, "9.386. Ceasing to Fulfil Army Medical Requirements, that is Temporarily Unfit for Any Form of Army Service".


So looking at this I think the OC can not just say he will employ me in other roles that he thinks I could be capable of doing.
 
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#19
Thank you very much. That make sense to me looking at Appendix 12 para 5: "Contact your unit, cease all military duties and then commence transition activities". Also, QR 9.386 under which I am being discharge (grade upgraded by Full Med Board from P7 to P8 recently) says, I quote, "9.386. Ceasing to Fulfil Army Medical Requirements, that is Temporarily Unfit for Any Form of Army Service".


So looking at this I think the OC can not just say he will employ me in other roles that he thinks I could be capable of doing.
Don't forget there is a chance your OC may not have been notified of your change of grade from P7 to P8 so don't go in with all guns blazing.
 
#20
Hi can anyone help,I have been in formed today my unit are looking at pap 10 me for being mld for hearing, I have just been informed this morning I have read through the previous forums and can make head or tail.
Wat will happen to me next, can I fight it as my hearing has been damaged through being in the army.
will I leave with just resettlement After 10 years service.

Mark
 
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