Pap 10

#1
My husband is being medically discharged under PAP 10.

He was told as from 23/07/2011 that he was no-longer permitted to work within his department. He has seen the relievent people and resettlement. But he as been told that he is not permitted to start any new job until his discharge date of 28/12/2011.

Is this true ? He has had numerous conversations with the people within the regiment, and no-one has any answers.

We have been told that his compensation and pension is being sorted, but they will not say for how much or when we will recieve anything. Our bank has said that we can have a morgage, but of course you need a deposit and a regular income, and for us the main income will end in January 2012, and we shall be homeless as will have to move out of our married quarter with two children. HELP !!
 
#2
there are a number of MND bods where i am. not a single one of them has done anything to aid their deployability. i have no sympathy.
 
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#3
there are a number of MND bods where i am. not a single one of them has done anything to aid their deployability. i have no sympathy.
Bit of a twatish statement. Do you know if her husband is one of those MND persons where you are and are so qualified as to judge them on their medical status & ability to improve their deployability?

OP asked for Help (and I take it advice) so all you can say is that?

LGEE, get him to speak to his admin dept or ring SPVA Norcross himself. He should know well before discharge what his entitlement will be as he should have the opportunity to challenge his payout if he thinks it wrong.

You can always notify your unit Welfare Officer of your intention to overstay in your MSQ until it is sorted. I suspect doing so may focus the units' mind somewhat but if they get annoyed as a result what can they do, discharge him?
 
#4
there are a number of MND bods where i am. not a single one of them has done anything to aid their deployability. i have no sympathy.
You should ask for a transfer to the families office...

LGEE, speak to your AGC det (well, get your husband to) and start noting what is said, when and by whom. Ask for an overstay in the quarter (as EScotia suggests) regardless, it will give you an extra three months of housing, perhaps to sort out mortgage, etc.

Google spva and you will find information regarding things like service leavers packs etc.

This is YOUR future now, and it isn't like it will affect his promotion is it?, so by all means ask the questions you with to be answerd.
 
#9
@ LGEE

having gone through the discharge process last year i can tell you that if not done so already you will need ot notify the housing office (DHE or SSO) they will issue you wiht a 96 day notice, the notice period starts from the day of discharge (Medical discharge process only), after discharge date you will be required to pay an elevated rental (mine went up by £7 a day). if you are polite and liase directly on a regular basis your sometimes allowed ot remain in the MQ for indefinate periods (circumstances dependant)

regardless of anythingelse it pays to have a saftey net, a medical pension will rarely be enough to maintain a familly home where a morgage is in payment, so do yourslefe a favour get hold of the council in the area you wish to settle and register on there housing list (theres legal reasons for doing this as well) by all means look for houses ot purchase but be realistic i found out what my pension was less than 3 weeks before my discharge date (oddley not down ot me somehow spva lost the paperwork 4 times).

get help from housing options, attend a briefing if you can, stay in touch with the unit famillies office and have a good read of the transition to civilian life book (if you dont already have a copy then enquire about it there meant ot be given out at the final med board)


once your on a councils housing list you hsould be given access to there choice based letting system (dont worry about the finacial details on the application form, most counsils will let you inform them once you know them) start bidding on houses imediatly and if required show up to interviews, ring them regularly (once a month untill a forghnight before discharge at a minimum) dont make yoursleves homeless by giving up the MQ volantarily as it will count against you, wait untill either you have somewhere else ot go or a court application is made (its amazing how fast the social housing system starts to move once the eviction process is under way).

try not to loose hope, it feels a bit like being put through the grinder when you have no idea about anything thats going on and are rather helpless to influence the course of action. as regards the pension, a lump summ should be recieved with 22 days of discharge date (normally within 7 days) and the monthly payments should start at the end of the month, any remaining pay owed should be recieved sometime in the month and a P60 issued in january (for dec discharge). if your struggling ot cope wiht paying the rent on the mq speak to the housing people they will allow you to make ad hoc payments especialy if your applying for housing benefit (get the app in the week before the discharge it will be come payable from the monday after otherwise).

hope things work out for you and remeber if all else fails there is always the application ot occupy the army's saftey net housing for 3 months (for you to get evicted from the current MQ the DHE has to prove you have done nothing to get rehoused, and that they have been able ot ensure your not made homeless).

dont fight the system work with it and be polite, people react and will feel more inclined to help if your proactive, and dont pin your hopes on buying a place of your own unless your other half is garanteed a massive payout under the AFCS.
 
#10
Never judge unless you are privy to all the facts.
My comments were aimed at 4 thieves in my current grid square who are guilty of crimes against oxygen. I humbly apologise to the OP for any confusion or unintentional distress.

In the past 12 months i have seen blokes move heaven and earth to get themselves deployable whilst others have literally lived the dream on extended sick leave and have added no value; £200k+ of taxpayers money well spent...
 
#11
My comments were aimed at 4 thieves in my current grid square who are guilty of crimes against oxygen. I humbly apologise to the OP for any confusion or unintentional distress.

In the past 12 months i have seen blokes move heaven and earth to get themselves deployable whilst others have literally lived the dream on extended sick leave and have added no value; £200k+ of taxpayers money well spent...
Were those 4 people at your 'current grid square' the OP or even on this thread? No. Then now you can figure out where you went wrong. She asked for advice not a p3nis with a c0ckstand about something.
 
#12
My comments were aimed at 4 thieves in my current grid square who are guilty of crimes against oxygen. I humbly apologise to the OP for any confusion or unintentional distress.

In the past 12 months i have seen blokes move heaven and earth to get themselves deployable whilst others have literally lived the dream on extended sick leave and have added no value; £200k+ of taxpayers money well spent...
i cant help but wonder why they took 12 months to given a tablet, the old system took 6 months + to identify someone malingering and then another 12>18 months ot get rid of them, the new system was designed ot make it easier, a lot easier for local comanders to bin them via the admin route in a only a few weeks but not more than 6 months.

not knowing the specifics here but i wonder if perhaps your viewing things through blinkerd eye's, as someone who spent a deal of time being called of lot of things and accused of malingering etc, i can honestly say all that did was actually stop me trying, it wasnt that there wasnt a geniune reason for being unable to "work harder at the problem" more that i should of been released a lot sooner than i was no thanks to some quack who thought desk work only actually meant you only shuffled a few pices of paper each week, as opposed ot the army's rather more liberal aproach "its in your office you move it"

sometimes the lean green machine has closed eyes and ears to the injured, and the most voracious are oftne those who have sufferd some ailment in the past nad been given the time to fight there way back, some people either dont want ot fight there way back or dont know how to so the last thing they need is abuse.

of course they might be genuine workshy malingerers who need nothing more than to actually put in some effort to toe the line.
 
#13
Were those 4 people at your 'current grid square' the OP or even on this thread? No. Then now you can figure out where you went wrong. She asked for advice not a p3nis with a c0ckstand about something.
Yet again the moral component of ARRSE pontificates to the masses.

You truly are a creepy hat ****.
 
#14
i cant help but wonder why they took 12 months to given a tablet, the old system took 6 months + to identify someone malingering and then another 12>18 months ot get rid of them, the new system was designed ot make it easier, a lot easier for local comanders to bin them via the admin route in a only a few weeks but not more than 6 months.

not knowing the specifics here but i wonder if perhaps your viewing things through blinkerd eye's, as someone who spent a deal of time being called of lot of things and accused of malingering etc, i can honestly say all that did was actually stop me trying, it wasnt that there wasnt a geniune reason for being unable to "work harder at the problem" more that i should of been released a lot sooner than i was no thanks to some quack who thought desk work only actually meant you only shuffled a few pices of paper each week, as opposed ot the army's rather more liberal aproach "its in your office you move it"

sometimes the lean green machine has closed eyes and ears to the injured, and the most voracious are oftne those who have sufferd some ailment in the past nad been given the time to fight there way back, some people either dont want ot fight there way back or dont know how to so the last thing they need is abuse.

of course they might be genuine workshy malingerers who need nothing more than to actually put in some effort to toe the line.
Has someone moved all the keys on your keyboard around? Not to be unnecessarily offensive or anything, but I think you'd probably be better off with a head dobber.
 
#15
Has someone moved all the keys on your keyboard around? Not to be unnecessarily offensive or anything, but I think you'd probably be better off with a head dobber.
joo is make me laugh.

and no its not offensive i am at peace with the fact i am dyslecix i even have a special colour glow keyboard and funkey galses that i pretty much dont use cos i feel like a plonker with some kiddy craft crap
 
#16
Glasses? What happeed to the funny coloured A5 plastic sheet and being told how to change the background colour of your word docs?
 
#17
it only works for word, changing defualt colours on xp was easy enough, it was particularly amusing ot have the strobe effect and see how many civvies spazzed out when they cam into the office (i had a warning stroed in use sticker on the door they all ignored)

besdies all that coloured stuff used ot sort of work, but i guess when your lacking the ability to spell or understand correct grammer theres barely anypoint in looking like a tit while your mash the keys soemwhat hapazardley 8)
 
#18
How do you do the strobe thing... i like the sound of that. Is it like the Amiga used to do in its paint programe where it used to change colours (mainly flourescent!!!)
 
#19
How do you do the strobe thing... i like the sound of that. Is it like the Amiga used to do in its paint programe where it used to change colours (mainly flourescent!!!)
not having been lucky enough to own or extensivly use an amiga i suspect the answer would be yes,

on the old xp based system i had i went into the personalisation options and setup the monitor / screen saver to switch from high contrast to low and a time delay of 12 miliseconds it was actually a mistake when i was copying a come page i printed for a custome waves screensaver that followed a music theme (you had to make a screensaver file manually if you wanted it to play music back then) if i had ever managed ot copy the code it would probably have operated as intended and played some cool tunes while showing something along hte lines of the firestorm in windows media player (that didnt exist back then on default installs) however it went into a loopback at the start of hte code instead of the end, so it was just a crazy strobe, i of course added ot the effect by disabling two of the lights in the roof (the ones i didnt need in order to get my work done) and would additionnaly twiddle the gamma correction dial on the bottom of the monitor so it would appear to go from off to full brightness and back off very very fast, not sure it would work wiht a flat panel or indeed the h&s feindly operating system thats been around for the last 5 years (my last office ran exlusivley on crappy dells and we wernt even allowed to make screen savers )

i dont have a copy of the code anymore, (probably just as well since one of my wifes freinds is a bit strobe shy and the cow is always round here) but if i recal i got it from an article called how to impress your office buddies- screensaver knowhow- but i'm afraid theres no chance of giving the publication, then again given that half of them went bust in the interveneing years and got brought back under the same name by a different publisher ><
 
#20
LGEE, you have had the text book answer already, I am also going through PAP10 after 27 years service. Try not to get too excited, the army believe it or not have got some good systems in place but unfortunately not all RCMOs/RAOs or admin bods are fully up to speed on the rules "some are".
If your husband is not happy with the PAP10 decison then there is a redress system in place like any other. You have about 14 days to submit via your Chain of Command should you wish to redress the system. More importantly get husband (and go with him to Financial Brief and housing brief) arranged by the resettlement teams. He can call the centre confirm the place then process on JPA. If he is happy with the decision then forget work, start looking for courses, if the course he wishes to do is after his discharge date, write a letter and via RCMO requesting to complete the course they sometimes extend your service until the course has finished leaving enough time to get your claims in. PAP10 entitles you to the full resettlement time.
As far as the house is concerned make sure you get on a housing brief, it is full of useful info, give JHSIO a call at Andover they are very helpful. Last resort is homelessness but my experience with this in the past is local councils are not helpful until they need to be, they will try to fob you off. as already mentioned you can get with the right attitude another 6 to 9 months in your Qtr. Best of luck ND
 
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