Palestine - British forces compared with Israelis

#1
Just read an article about the behaviour of Israeli forces in Gaza, showing appreciation of the British forces there in the days of the mandate:

"In retrospect, one can only be glad that the British soldiers, who fought against the Irgun and the Stern Group, did not have an ethical guide like Kasher."
 
#2
So the British Army were proper gents in Palestine? That's strange. Look up 'Orde Wingate', 'Special Night Squads', and 'Roy Farran' for more.

And bear in mind one other key difference. When the British Army lost in Palestine in 1948, they just went home. If the Israelis lose, where do they go? You'd be pretty hard-core and brutal if you think you had a choice between fighting and extinction as well.
 
#4
hmmm.....everyone always seems to forget that it was the irgun and haganah who were blowing up British personnel and civilians...one wonders why we support Israel.
 
#5
Generalissimo said:
hmmm.....everyone always seems to forget that it was the irgun and haganah who were blowing up British personnel and civilians...one wonders why we support Israel.
The Irgun and Hagahah were two entirely different things . " The hunting season " mean anything to you ?

Yeah I often wonder why we supported West Germany during the cold war what with them invading Poland and everyone elses country and that :?
 
#6
Support Israel, thats a joke -- people seem to forget 1946 - King David Hotel bombing 91 people killed, was this the thanks we got for freeing so many of them from the German Concentration camps one year before.

memories are short.....
 
#7
sapper851 said:
Support Israel, thats a joke -- people seem to forget 1946 - King David Hotel bombing 91 people killed, was this the thanks we got for freeing so many of them from the German Concentration camps one year before.

memories are short.....
Read spanny's reply...maybe we shold break off relations with Germany considering they acted like a complete load of pricks in 1945...a whole...year...before 1946.

Perhaps we should not forgive anyone that has wronged us in history, im sure that would be productive.
 
#8
harareboy99 said:
sapper851 said:
Support Israel, thats a joke -- people seem to forget 1946 - King David Hotel bombing 91 people killed, was this the thanks we got for freeing so many of them from the German Concentration camps one year before.

memories are short.....
Read spanny's reply...maybe we shold break off relations with Germany considering they acted like a complete load of pricks in 1945...a whole...year...before 1946.

Perhaps we should not forgive anyone that has wronged us in history, im sure that would be productive.
We'd have no mates :D
 
#9
Spanny said:
Generalissimo said:
hmmm.....everyone always seems to forget that it was the irgun and haganah who were blowing up British personnel and civilians...one wonders why we support Israel.
The Irgun and Hagahah were two entirely different things . " The hunting season " mean anything to you ?

Yeah I often wonder why we supported West Germany during the cold war what with them invading Poland and everyone elses country and that :?
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Wiki said:
After the war, the Haganah carried out anti-British operations in Palestine, such as the liberation of interned immigrants from the Atlit camp, the bombing of the country's railroad network, sabotage raids on radar installations and bases of the British Palestine police. It also continued to organize illegal immigration.

On May 28, 1948, less than two weeks after the creation of the state of Israel on May 15, the provisional government created the Israeli Defense Forces which would succeed the Haganah. It also outlawed maintenance of any other armed force.

Famous members of the Haganah included: Yitzhak Rabin, Ariel Sharon, Moshe Dayan and Yigal Allon.
Wiki said:
Irgun was a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948. It was established as a militant offshoot of the earlier and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah.The Irgun members were absorbed into the Israel Defence Forces at the start of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.

Not quite so dissimilar I believe? Those named in the Haganah are four Prime Ministers of Israel, indeed most Israeli prime minsters have been involved in Anti-British operations..

Also your attempt at sarcasm seems to fail as it has no relevance. Perhaps you would enlighten me as to your example.

I'm not being at all anti-semitic in this post, or espousing beliefs that Israel should be eliminated. Just saying while we may forgive, we should not forget.
 
#10
Forgive not forget indeed, but bear in mind we're British; creating an empire doesn't leave you many friends. How many nations have we screwed over? We can't be so choosey with our friends, especially in the Middle East. Having said that, I'm sure being friends with Israel impressess no Arabs.
 
#11
Generalissimo said:
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Wiki said:
After the war, the Haganah carried out anti-British operations in Palestine, such as the liberation of interned immigrants from the Atlit camp, the bombing of the country's railroad network, sabotage raids on radar installations and bases of the British Palestine police. It also continued to organize illegal immigration.

On May 28, 1948, less than two weeks after the creation of the state of Israel on May 15, the provisional government created the Israeli Defense Forces which would succeed the Haganah. It also outlawed maintenance of any other armed force.

Famous members of the Haganah included: Yitzhak Rabin, Ariel Sharon, Moshe Dayan and Yigal Allon.

I'm not being at all anti-semitic in this post, or espousing beliefs that Israel should be eliminated. Just saying while we may forgive, we should not forget.
Gosh you're really in to the wikipedia mate

For your information you might like to know that former members of the Irgun like Begin weren't allowed to run for election in Israeli elections for many years .

BTW do you feel the same for any politician in the Irish Republic since they're almost certainly alligned to a party that was founded by either Michael Collins or Eamon De Valera ?
 
#12
worrier - "When the British Army lost in Palestine in 1948". No, the British Government told them to leave which is different. The small issue of a looming or actual UN resolution may have played a part.

Generalissimo - Desperate people, desparate times.
 
#13
EVERYONE WHO IS READING THIS THREAD SHOULD GO OUT AND BUY A BOOK CALLED JERUSALEM COUNTDOWN. WRITTEN BY PASTOR JOHN HAGEE. STROND STUFF AMIGOS, NAIL ON THE HEAD.
 
#14
Revolver said:
EVERYONE WHO IS READING THIS THREAD SHOULD GO OUT AND BUY A BOOK CALLED JERUSALEM COUNTDOWN. WRITTEN BY PASTOR JOHN HAGEE. STROND STUFF AMIGOS, NAIL ON THE HEAD.
No they shouldn't . The guy is obviously a bible bashing nutter
 
#15
Revolver said:
EVERYONE WHO IS READING THIS THREAD SHOULD GO OUT AND BUY A BOOK CALLED JERUSALEM COUNTDOWN. WRITTEN BY PASTOR JOHN HAGEE. STROND STUFF AMIGOS, NAIL ON THE HEAD.
Sorry mate, couldn't quite read the small print there is there anything you can do to make the letters bigger?
 
#17
The Murders of Paice and Martin
That morning, eighteen days after the kidnapping, the Irgun chief of staff, Haim Landau, told Assaf that the hostages were to be hanged. Initially Assaf and Paglin looked for a suitable grove, but given the large military and police presence they decided to kill the hostages at the plant itself. Since the hangings were meant as a lesson for all to see, they still wanted to hang the bodies in public. That was so clear that the mayor of Tel Aviv, Yisrael Rokah, feared Irgun would hang them in the city’s main square, while in Netanya it was feared that they would be hanged on local lamp posts. Haganah increased its patrols around the city centers, which made the transfers even more difficult. In the afternoon Paglin and four others arrived at the bunker. Paice and Martin were blindfolded and their hands and feet were tied. As no gallows was available nooses were attached to the ceiling; the hostages were stood on chairs beneath them and the nooses looped round their necks. At around 18:00 the chairs beneath their feet were removed, and they were killed by a short-drop hanging.
 
#18
No disrespect intended to Paice and Martin, but the mention of Hagee's book demands comment:a slightly more relevant book is the one mentioned in the original article - 1948: A Soldier's Tale - written by a bloke who took an active part in the fighting at the time.
 
#19
Revolver said:
EVERYONE WHO IS READING THIS THREAD SHOULD GO OUT AND BUY A BOOK CALLED JERUSALEM COUNTDOWN. WRITTEN BY PASTOR JOHN HAGEE. STROND STUFF AMIGOS, NAIL ON THE HEAD.

Fvck off you nut
 
#20
And then there was...Col. Mickey Marcus aka Aluf Stone,... click and read, Wingate woulda loved him.
 

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