Pakistan International Airlines A320 down

If we're thinking of the same one in 1983, the Air Canada incident was reported as confusion over gallons/litres.
Yes. The calculation was incorrect so not enough fuel loaded. The kid on the BMX always amused me, a bit like that scene in Prometheus.
 
Further information on the crash now confirms the aircraft was too high and fast on initial approach, ie and unstable approach, which by all SOP’s, calls for a rejected landing and go around for another attempt.

This appears to have been brought to their attention by ATC who had offered a vector but had been declined.

It appears gear was not lowered.

Marks on the runway now confirm that both engine nacelles contacted the runway and that with excess airspeed, and no gear extended, with its associated aerodynamic drag, the plane was much further down the runway when contact was made.

Contact was made more than once, ie the aircraft skipped then contacted again, before the crew attempted a go around.

At this point, damage to both engines is likely to have caused them to fail in the subsequent sequence of events, and before a second attempt to make a normal landing, leading to the final crash.
 
Just received this video from a pilot friend.

This seems to corroborate previous post.




Pilots may well have put the gear handle down, and while distracted by their unstable approach did not pay attention to the gear warning chime that was telling them that it had not in fact gone down due excessive speed.

It also appears that they skipped not once but twice before lifting off to attempt the go around for a second try.

Not sure but may have been two Captains in the cockpit, this may have led to one being hesitant about criticising the other about being too high to close in, which under normal SOP’s and CRM (Crew Resource Management) would require the PNF (Pilot Not Flying) to call for the approach to be aborted and for a go around be initiated.

They also had been warned by ATC that they appeared to be to high for the approach.

This reluctance to intervene by the PNF was directly implicated in the 777 Korean Airlines crash at San Fransisco.

 
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Boxer96

Old-Salt
From today's Guardian:

It beggars belief:
".... Khan also pointed to a troubling review of pilot credentials that is bound to reverberate through the country’s airline industry. He said a probe last year found that 262 of Pakistan’s 860 active pilots had fake licenses or had cheated on exams – including an unspecified number of PIA pilots."

I did read elsewhere that PIA have suspended at least 150 flight crew suspected of holding dubious credentials. Could this be a case of "super-walting??"
 
A bloke in a caravan with a flare pistol could've saved the day. 'Undercarriage lever a bit sticky was it sir?'
 
A bloke in a caravan with a flare pistol could've saved the day. 'Undercarriage lever a bit sticky was it sir?'

Worse than that!


(f) “Karachi Approach” advised repeatedly (twice to discontinue the approach and once cautioned) about excessive height. Landing approach was not discontinued. However, FDR shows action of raising of the landing gears at 1740ft followed by retraction of the speed brakes (at a distance slightly less than 05 nautical miles from the runway 25L). At this time, the aircraft had intercepted the localizer as well as the glide slope. Flaps 1 were selected at 243knots IAS, the landing gears and speed brakes were retracted. Over-speed and EGPWS warnings were then triggered
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
From today's Guardian:

It beggars belief:
".... Khan also pointed to a troubling review of pilot credentials that is bound to reverberate through the country’s airline industry. He said a probe last year found that 262 of Pakistan’s 860 active pilots had fake licenses or had cheated on exams – including an unspecified number of PIA pilots."

I did read elsewhere that PIA have suspended at least 150 flight crew suspected of holding dubious credentials. Could this be a case of "super-walting??"
Just the usual corruption...
 

needlewaver

War Hero
A bloke in a caravan with a flare pistol could've saved the day. 'Undercarriage lever a bit sticky was it sir?'
I wouldn’t tell the CO that Sir. Not if I were you...
 

4(T)

LE
From today's Guardian:

It beggars belief:
".... Khan also pointed to a troubling review of pilot credentials that is bound to reverberate through the country’s airline industry. He said a probe last year found that 262 of Pakistan’s 860 active pilots had fake licenses or had cheated on exams – including an unspecified number of PIA pilots."

I did read elsewhere that PIA have suspended at least 150 flight crew suspected of holding dubious credentials. Could this be a case of "super-walting??"

I see the Grauniad was careful not to comment on the faking and cheating in a professional body. Who knows; perhaps that might be endemic to other professions, including many qualifications that facilitate entry and employment in UK?
 
Like ******* driving licenses, given some of the taxi drivers around my neck of the woods.
 

Dr Death

War Hero
Are PIA allowed in UK Airspace as a few years ago they got banned because of poor maintenance on the fleet?

Just checked seems PIA are allowed these days
 

Ritch

LE
Are PIA allowed in UK Airspace as a few years ago they got banned because of poor maintenance on the fleet?
Yeah. Recently seen the 777-300's flying from Birmingham and Manchester.
 
More on fake licensing:

Oooh. Another chance to put this here: Nigel Francis-Mcgann:


 
Yeah. Recently seen the 777-300's flying from Birmingham and Manchester.
Other than Qatar and the odd sod, they're about the only things flying out of MAN with anything approaching regularity... for some odd reason. The 'issues' were regarding the 747s. They were given triples as a thank you for TWOT... apparently.
 
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