Paint Marker Rounds - OBUA

#1
One of our officers has got an idea that he won't let go and I need some answers so I can back brief him on the feasibility of the training.

And before I phone every training area Commandant, has anyone used the above ammunition in an OBUA complex in the uk.

Which one?

Got all the info needed on the actual kit and the conduct of the training just need a venue. (Officer wants OBUA)

Thanks

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#2
You mean he wants to go paintballing?
 
#3
I wish, it would make my life easier.

The tit basically likes to over complicate every training ex he gets involved with

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#5
You may have the info on the kit, but do you have an entitlement for the ammo?

UAMS might be worth a ring a a first POC.
 
#7
FF, just a feasibility study at the moment.

Ill get the TQMS onto UAMs

Im guessing the rounds are expensive and Bde will tell him to wind his neck in.

For my info, who normally uses this ammo?

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#9
Have used Paintball equip when visiting the yank Marines in Virginia beach. We didn't take it too seriously and just started seeing how much pain we could inflict on each other with point blank shots when your mate wasn't looking.

However in the UK we used a HK conversion system that if I remember correctly fitted inside the barrel of an MP5 and would then accept a small paint round that was fired by a .22 cartridge.

Bloody things really hurt as well. It was good though as you really didn't want to get hit so it was a bit more realistic. Our training was stopped though after one of the lads was shot on the cock, he was in a hell of a lot of pain. I think that there was a requirement for certain types of protective equipment and our guys had just improvised with helmet, respirator and the 90's style body armour.
 
#10
Simmunition training is great, there are issues with it and some H&S requirements. It does provide a pain penalty which is good and real time info on being shot back at. Very good in house to house, room entry etc.

******* masks steaming up can be a real issue though, and before you ask yes I was a qualified simmunition trainer, taught by the company itself.

Soap/paint is good enough for them, it's good enough for you.
 
#11
Got the ADAC numbers. Basically myself and the SMI want to chin this off. So the more info I can get on the difficulties of obtaining this type of ammo the better.

Not even looked into getting a qualified and experienced instructor yet

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#13
Got the ADAC numbers. Basically myself and the SMI want to chin this off. So the more info I can get on the difficulties of obtaining this type of ammo the better.

Not even looked into getting a qualified and experienced instructor yet

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So you have decided to find reasons why you can't provide some form of variety in the training because it might involve extra work for you rather than do everything in your power to make it happen?

You jack ****.
 
#14
It's only for SF, CP and attached pers.

Only a small amount of simunition is purchased so expect the question “Why do you NEED to undergo this sort of training?”

Not saying it’s not worth a try, stranger things have happened!
 
#15
Simmunition training is great, there are issues with it and some H&S requirements. It does provide a pain penalty which is good and real time info on being shot back at. Very good in house to house, room entry etc.

******* masks steaming up can be a real issue though, and before you ask yes I was a qualified simmunition trainer, taught by the company itself.

Soap/paint is good enough for them, it's good enough for you.
What training area did you use?

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#16
It's only for SF, CP and attached pers.

Only a small amount of simunition is purchased so expect the question “Why do you NEED to undergo this sort of training?”

Not saying it’s not worth a try, stranger things have happened!
Thanks, FF just the info I needed.

Many thanks for everyones help

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#17
So you have decided to find reasons why you can't provide some form of variety in the training because it might involve extra work for you rather than do everything in your power to make it happen?

You jack ****.
Really, its about managing peoples expectations and conducting training in a safe and progressive manner.

IE I don't want a load of RE stabs with zero infantry skills cutting around with expensive kit ******* around.

You ****

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#18
Really, its about managing peoples expectations and conducting training in a safe and progressive manner.

IE I don't want a load of RE stabs with zero infantry skills cutting around with expensive kit ******* around.

You ****

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No, it is about you getting another slack afternoon doing very little by conducting a quick check on Arrse and then saying "Sorry, we can't get the ammunition" rather than

a) Trying every avenue to see if it is possible to get the ammunition and instructor or

b) Having the balls to state your concerns at the approriate level and stand by it rather than using the G4 chain to hide behind.

Lazy or gutless, your choice.
 
#19
No, it is about you getting another slack afternoon doing very little by conducting a quick check on Arrse and then saying "Sorry, we can't get the ammunition" rather than

a) Trying every avenue to see if it is possible to get the ammunition and instructor or

b) Having the balls to state your concerns at the approriate level and stand by it rather than using the G4 chain to hide behind.

Lazy or gutless, your choice.
Not really interested in getting into a spat with you.

You don't know the context of the training, you are jumping to conclusions based on a couple of posts on a thread.

Got the info I required, I will make the APPROPRIATE checks and will brief my boss.

You can get off your moral high horse now


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#20
Ok, you can go and put your feet back up now. The Solitaire must be calling you by now.

No need to trouble yourself with any more work.
 

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