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Pagan prisoners given day off

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Chalky said:
Fair and sensible. This country was pagan way before it was christian.
Agreed!

Though the article did surprise me by saying pagans such as devil and satan worshippers. Pagans don't believe in god and therefore cannot believe in Satan or the devil.

Also still seems a bit unfair to me because pagan prisoners (still astounds me how a prisoner could be pagan as most criminal acts go against their beliefs) have to choose 2 holidays out of their religious calendar to have as days off whereas all the other religions got allof their ie muslims get 26 days off.
 
#4
Chalky said:
Fair and sensible. This country was pagan way before it was christian.

Not only was it Pagan before it was Christianised (is that a word?) there are plenty of web sites you can visit that will tell you all about Christianity taking over Pagan rituals and sites to absorb the Pagans into their congregation. One of the earliest conspiracy theorys......
 
#5
theoriginalphantom said:
Chalky said:
Fair and sensible. This country was pagan way before it was christian.

Not only was it Pagan before it was Christianised (is that a word?) there are plenty of web sites you can visit that will tell you all about Christianity taking over Pagan rituals and sites to absorb the Pagans into their congregation. One of the earliest conspiracy theorys......
Remember the phrase burn the witch....................
 
#6
christmas tree is pagan too btw.

this article seems to suggest that a pagan is somebody belonging to a sect (other than christianity for example, heh)

a very oldfashioned view...
 
#7
jest265 said:
Chalky said:
Fair and sensible. This country was pagan way before it was christian.
Agreed!

Though the article did surprise me by saying pagans such as devil and satan worshippers. Pagans don't believe in god and therefore cannot believe in Satan or the devil.

Also still seems a bit unfair to me because pagan prisoners (still astounds me how a prisoner could be pagan as most criminal acts go against their beliefs) have to choose 2 holidays out of their religious calendar to have as days off whereas all the other religions got allof their ie muslims get 26 days off.
In that case, how can anyone with strong religious beliefs be in prison, our Christian bretheren shouldn't be commiting any crimes either (don't they have a couple of books telling them how to live? and those pesky 10 commandments.) I don't have much knowledge of other mainstream religions, but I'm pretty sure they all have something similar to 'thou shalt not kill/steal/covet thy neighbours gimp/or read a list of names within a mile of Downing street.'
 
#8
theoriginalphantom said:
jest265 said:
Chalky said:
Fair and sensible. This country was pagan way before it was christian.
Agreed!

Though the article did surprise me by saying pagans such as devil and satan worshippers. Pagans don't believe in god and therefore cannot believe in Satan or the devil.

Also still seems a bit unfair to me because pagan prisoners (still astounds me how a prisoner could be pagan as most criminal acts go against their beliefs) have to choose 2 holidays out of their religious calendar to have as days off whereas all the other religions got allof their ie muslims get 26 days off.
In that case, how can anyone with strong religious beliefs be in prison, our Christian bretheren shouldn't be commiting any crimes either (don't they have a couple of books telling them how to live? and those pesky 10 commandments.) I don't have much knowledge of other mainstream religions, but I'm pretty sure they all have something similar to 'thou shalt not kill/steal/covet thy neighbours gimp/or read a list of names within a mile of Downing street.'
but you could say that somebody who chooses a religion, such as paganism, which isn't mainstream in any respect, takes his religion more seriously than somebody who's christian because he's told he's a christian/was raised in a christian society
 
#9
Proper_Gander said:
but you could say that somebody who chooses a religion, such as paganism, which isn't mainstream in any respect, takes his religion more seriously than somebody who's christian because he's told he's a christian/was raised in a christian society
That's quite an assumption, especially as, for a start, you're assuming they weren't raised to be pagans.
 
#10
Seems wrong that the pagans get to choose 2 of 8 religious days off when the muslims get 26 days off. Surely the pagans should get all 8.

Or alternatively, give none of them anything, they are not in prison to enjoy themselves.
 
#11
.... if any of them from any religion were serious about their religion (other than crimes commited using religion as a pretext/excuse) then they wouldn't do the crime. regardless of choosing a religion or simply have been indoctrinated from birth (sorry having grown up in that environment)

You appear to make the assumption that they chose to be Pagan and have converted from another religion.
While its true that there are many 'Pagans' out there who consider themselves witches and such like as they've watched Charmed/Sabrina/Buffy/Angel etc, there are many more who have been brought up into a Pagan household. Paganism is seeing a revivial, it isn't something thats been completely forgotten, its always been around in one form or another. I
 
#12
Chalky said:
Proper_Gander said:
but you could say that somebody who chooses a religion, such as paganism, which isn't mainstream in any respect, takes his religion more seriously than somebody who's christian because he's told he's a christian/was raised in a christian society
That's quite an assumption, especially as, for a start, you're assuming they weren't raised to be pagans.
the assumption is based upon the fact that britain is traditionaly a christian society (the muslims are still a tiny, if vocal, minority)

so i think you'll find that a higher percentage of christians will've adopted what they were told to be, rather than find their own thing.

but whatever, they probably didn't stick to their belief when they committed their crime, whatever it was. which makes this a completely pointless and hypothetical conversation. blergh
 
#13
Keyboardwarrior said:
Seems wrong that the pagans get to choose 2 of 8 religious days off when the muslims get 26 days off. Surely the pagans should get all 8.

Or alternatively, give none of them anything, they are not in prison to enjoy themselves.
Which is my way of thinking. Why have prisons gone "all pink and fluffy" and allow prisoners such liberties. Aren't they there to learn a lesson and become reformed characters?

The article does seem to be confusing nature loving druidy Pagan types with black Mass celebrating virgin desecrater Satanist types. Just make the lot of them work 365 days a year, prison officers have to.
 
#14
SpottyDog said:
Keyboardwarrior said:
Seems wrong that the pagans get to choose 2 of 8 religious days off when the muslims get 26 days off. Surely the pagans should get all 8.

Or alternatively, give none of them anything, they are not in prison to enjoy themselves.
Which is my way of thinking. Why have prisons gone "all pink and fluffy" and allow prisoners such liberties. Aren't they there to learn a lesson and become reformed characters?

The article does seem to be confusing nature loving druidy Pagan types with black Mass celebrating virgin desecrater Satanist types. Just make the lot of them work 365 days a year, prison officers have to.
Prison officers don't get a single day off? they all work all year?
 
#15
Yes, they make them work all year without a single day off.

And don't reply with 'Wah', its just too predictable.

Seriously though, what happened to making criminals feel sorry?
 
#16
If prisoners, who have committed crimes against the state and its people, are allowed days off work for religious holidays, then why aren't we allowed off the week for easter?

Is halloween actually pagan? As far as I am aware ( link to follow if I can find one) all saints used to be near easter in the calendar. Around november time there was the "night of mischief" in places where the kids would just cause havoc, and this moved across to america with the colonists. It was decided to allow children who were good and didn't destroy peoples houses to get sweets and things for being good as a deterrent to them being bad, and they moved all saints day to the time we know it now to add some authority to this making an occasion. America did its usual thing of blowing it WAY out proportion and when it came here it was more commericalised.

Thats just the history as i've always known it. Besides its just a day for kids to be greedy and demand sweets to get even fatter than they already are without getting told off by their parents.

The prisoners should be breaking rocks in isolation for their crimes, not whinging if the central heating isn't on high enough or playing pool with other inmates. Makes my blood boil that criminals, rapists, kiddy-fiddlers, murderers and drug-dealers get treated better than our own pensioners.
 

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