PAC - "UK armed forces below strength"

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  1. Clicky
  2. Darth,

    NAO rather than PAC. More importantly though, if this is not overstretch what the hell is?

  3. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    Good story on Newsnight about overstretch from the troops' point of view.
  4. And it includes a good long quote from a BAFF spokesman. Excellent live interview on BBC.
  5. There was also a brief bulletin on Radio 1 this morning, quoting it was 5000 recruits below required levels. They cited it was due to family pressures from extended tours of duty, and there was a rather succinct and suave BAFF spokesperson giving a statement too!

    Radio 1 + BAFF - it's all getting mainstream news :-D
  6. Telegraph version

    "In the last year 9,200 personnel have left with almost half citing the impact of the service on family life as their main reason. A third said that the quality of equipment and the feeling of not being valued contributed to their departure while 28 per cent complained of too many operational deployments."

    I always found I had an answer for most soldiers on interview to sign off, but when one of my Cpls said he just wasn't seeing enough of his family, my only answer was to say that I couldn't promise it would get any better. That was in 2003.
  7. I was listning on 5 live this morning had a 5 min or so debate about it, it seems it's not a case of people not wanting to join up, more that people can't because the army can't afford it.

    increase the budget, thats obvious to everyone isn't it?

    as for retaining soldiers, I can't really comment because I'm not even starting till January.

    However I think it has something to do with, in say ten years time, I'm going to be about 30, I'm going to be thinking of a family, in the army my promotions have slowed down a little, I don't fancy going to AFG every three years, I can get a job in C'street with more pay, more time off, and can keep settled at home, instead of moving.

    these are the reasons my dad, and his brother left the RAF and Army respectivley, but across the board in army style careers your expecting a high turnover.
  8. Military faces staffing shortage

    The Ministry of Defence says its forces are "stretched but not overstretched" but the Army's chief, General Richard Dannatt, said in interviews last month his force could not sustain its present commitments indefinitely.

    Stretched but not overstretched? Wonderful, slick choices of words and smarmy spin.

    I’d like to see certain elements at MOD and within the discredited Government ‘stretched but not over stretched’ Stretched by their scrawny necks in the most undignified manner, over stretched and they’d possibly escape arriving at the final court of justice!

    These parasites know no shame and clearly feel no enduring sense of responsibility or duty of care toward our Armed Forces.
  9. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

  10. "I have got an army to look after ... I want an army in five years' time and ten years' time. Don't let's break it on this one. Let's keep an eye on time," he said. "Time is money and time is soldiers' lives."

    The words of General Dannatt. However General Jackson, ACM Stirrup, PM Blair, Sec Browne, Minister Ingram, do not agree, preferring the phrase stretched but not overstretched. When will they agree with Sir Richard? When it is not physically possible to man these deployments? Or do they prefer to cut and run in Iraq and try and ignore the ensuing bloodbath? Or do they want to bring back conscription? 15% of all personnel breaching harmony guidelines in some cases 40%. With no plan to improve these breaches apart from pulling out of Iraq and using the troops elsewhere.

    Who is right, Sir Richard, or the others? When CGS is warning that his Army is reaching breaking point it is time to listen. NAO report is a timely warning that we are approaching a tipping point. It would be helpful if those in Govt took notice and that goes for Sir Richard's colleagues.
  11. MoD hasn't got a long term strategic plan?.........they never have had. Only recently have local commanders taken an interest in soldiers leaving and in some cases, that interest is only for the sake of their own interests. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with. I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the 'Recruitment and Retention Strategy Office' at Whitehall, but I'd probably die of loneliness.

    We're not the only ones who are understrength though and are having to rethink our recruitment and retention strategies (there's that word again).
  12. They've moved the upper age limit to 32? That means that a 32 yr old, completing a full contract, will leave when he is 54, but at the same time, the 'soldiering is a young mans game' Brigade, continue to oppose the complete eradication of the 22 yr contract and are more than happy to see most out at 40. Even with VEng, there are those out there who don't want older soldiers. Mind you, the potential for staying on isn't holding the attraction for some that it once did.

    Looks like 'soldiering is a young mans game' Brigade won't have the choice for much longer. They better get used to fat ones as well (it works for the RLC....they've been used to it for years)
  13. The continued loss of majors, senior captains and cpl/Sgts is the biggest risk that the army faces, not now but for the future.

    All that happens is that those not quite ready for promotion get it early. This propogates down the ranks and will cause a risk of a generation of soldiers who are not as prepared as they should be.

    The General was quite right, but that will be past the next election so why should the politicians care. And if they do not, what can we do to better support the soldiers? BAFF anyone?
  14. Has the "overstretch" word been uttered yet?
  15. The first tour I did was in 1997. 22 reservists joined a single Rifle company. The CSM had a chat with us and pointed out he was still short 21 men. The army has been short bodies since the the late great JC had a rumble with the Romans.

    But over the last 10 years it has become worse. It's no longer lending Companies to other units to fill them out because you're not going on a tour for at the next three 3 years, It's lending out entire battalions in bits, even when you're due a tour in a years time. There are no "No Tours" Battalion postings anymore. Black Watch found that out the hard way.