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P8 MMA/MPA thread.

Top call for those who named this airframe.

Not the first choice of airframe for any upcoming visits to Nordholz (home of the Marineflieger P-3 fleet), then.

However, that airframe will probably be the airframe of choice for a visit to the Norwegian P-8 base.
 
Except why would you have Storm Shadow if:
Storm Shadow is impressive and can be launched from VLS, SPEAR III is coming along nicely, it you won’t hear SOI saying anything positive about British weapon system.
 
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While he was a truly remarkable man, Wg Cdr Reggie Baker DSO DFC* had an equal number of sub kills, namely 3x U-Boats & 1x Italian sub. He was also credited with 3x confirmed air-to-air kills and numerous destroyed surface targets during a career flying Sunderlands, Catalinas, Whirlwinds and Typhoons, until being killed near Carpiquet Airfield in Normandy, on D+10.

 

Boxer96

Old-Salt
It appears that Germany are looking to replace their eight Orion MPA.
From Defense Industry Daily:
"Replacement in Germany According to Reuters
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, the naval air arm of the German Navy will look for a replacement of its P-3C. The service has decided against upgrading the aircraft in favor of buying a new platform, a confidential ministry document reviewed by Reuters showed. It has become expensive to maintain the Orion. The alternatives being evaluated are the C295, RAS 72 and P-8A. "

A huge difference in capability between P-8A and the two twin turbo-props mentioned.
I can only assume that the RAS 72 is in-play is because it has been developed in Germany and has been ordered by the navy of Pakistan.[ The RAS 72 – RAS Special Mission Aircraft]
 
It appears that Germany are looking to replace their eight Orion MPA.
From Defense Industry Daily:
"Replacement in Germany According to Reuters
external link
, the naval air arm of the German Navy will look for a replacement of its P-3C. The service has decided against upgrading the aircraft in favor of buying a new platform, a confidential ministry document reviewed by Reuters showed. It has become expensive to maintain the Orion. The alternatives being evaluated are the C295, RAS 72 and P-8A. "

A huge difference in capability between P-8A and the two twin turbo-props mentioned.
I can only assume that the RAS 72 is in-play is because it has been developed in Germany and has been ordered by the navy of Pakistan.[ The RAS 72 – RAS Special Mission Aircraft]

Surprised that no one's looked at the P1. That and the Atlantique are the only purpose designed MPAs on the block. The others are all modifications of civ aircraft.
 
Tbh, the ability to gtf out of Dodge in a hurry does not lie with turboprop aircraft , nor is the ability to get on station quickly if your covering large areas a long way away.
That rather leaves only P1 and P8.
 

Cold_Collation

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Tbh, the ability to gtf out of Dodge in a hurry does not lie with turboprop aircraft , nor is the ability to get on station quickly if your covering large areas a long way away.
That rather leaves only P1 and P8.
It's more a case of the mission suite. As @Magic_Mushroom pointed out up-thread, modern submarines are so quiet that if you've not gone top-end you might as well not bother - you're just not going to be able to deal with the threat.

The P-3 and the Atlantique manage very well on props but it's the mission suite capability you're really after.

There's no new-build turboprop on the market at the moment which can do what a P-1/P-8 can in terms of handling the threat. The all-new turboprops are all less-sophisticated maritime patrol aircraft.
 
They need the US in an area where they have no powerful western orientated ally.
They can offer the US a lot more than we can in Asiapac region. The downside of that is being pulled into any regional spat involving the US with the attendant long term consequences.

As they have since 1942, at which point, Britain (politcally, militarily, an ultimately economically) became irrelevant to Australia.

"Men and women of the United States: I speak to you from Australia. I speak from a united people to a united people, and my speech is aimed to serve all the people of the nations united in the struggle to save mankind.

"On the great waters of the Pacific Ocean war now breathes its bloody steam. From the skies of the Pacific pours down a deathly hail. In the countless islands of the Pacific the tide of war flows madly. For you in America; for us in Australia, it is flowing badly. Let me then address you as comrades in this war and tell you a little of Australia and Australians. I am not speaking to your Government. We have long been admirers of Mr Roosevelt and have the greatest confidence that he understands fully the critical situation in the Pacific and that America will go right out to meet it. For all that America has done, both before and after entering the war, we have the greatest admiration and gratitude.'


JCPML00434/1. John Curtin's speech to America, 14 March 1942.

Following the fall of the British Empire's invincible bastion in Singapore, Australia has made it national policy to look across the Pacific rather than back to the UK. And speaking of looking across the Pacific ...

'The 2020 Defence Strategic Update clearly articulates this capability: "We [the Commonwealth government] will also increase investment in capabilities that support the ADF’s awareness of our immediate region. This includes expanding the Jindalee Operational Radar Network to provide wide area surveillance of Australia’s eastern approaches. The Jindalee Operational Radar Network, based on world-leading Australian technology, currently provides comprehensive surveillance of Australia’s northern and western approaches and is a vital component of Australia’s strategic surveillance network."

'While this investment provides an important expansion of an existing capability, the increasing proliferation of advanced missiles, combined with the increasing numbers of advanced power projection-oriented surface warships limits the effectiveness of the JORN network.

'Again, the government seems to have recognised this capability gap in the 2020 Defence Strategic Update, with the Prime Minister himself articulating a growing focus on both long-range strike weapons and area denial systems: "These must be able to hold potential adversaries, forces, and infrastructure at risk from greater distance and therefore influence their calculus of costs involved in threatening Australia's interests.'


 
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