P45, how to get one from employer

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My 17 year ols daughter worked briefly for Tesco's 12 weeks or so, as long as her contract was for. They didn't renew her contract as that department was overstaffed.
She has been trying to get her P45 from them for some time. She was promised it on several occasions, has written a letter or two to the management in the store but these have not even been acknowledged.
Any ideas where to go next?
 
#2
Inland revenue - I'm sure they usually send them out in 3 sheets format. They'll have to state she's off the payroll, and I'm fairly confident the HRMC raise the P45, but I might be wrong.
 
#3
When I left the Army I ended up working in France for a while, when I came back after the world fell apart I ended up with a couple of shit jobs, one of them selling Double glazing for a dog shit company.

When I didn't get paid I marched into the office and threatened to kick the living **** out of the MD.

The next day I was paid upto date and got a P45

Theres one way :)
 

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When I left the Army I ended up working in France for a while, when I came back after the world fell apart I ended up with a couple of shit jobs, one of them selling Double glazing for a dog shit company.

When I didn't get paid I marched into the office and threatened to kick the living **** out of the MD.

The next day I was paid upto date and got a P45

Theres one way :)
I've offered but daughter has hopes of working there again one day!
 
#5
Inland revenue - I'm sure they usually send them out in 3 sheets format. They'll have to state she's off the payroll, and I'm fairly confident the HRMC raise the P45, but I might be wrong.
P45 is a PAYE form but HMRC don't raise the P45. It's supposed to be completed by the employer that you are leaving

The whole idea is that Part 1 goes to the HMRC so they know you have left and what your pay & tax was to date along with your last tax code. They then put your records in "Leavers".

Employee gets Parts 2 & 3. Then when they start a new job they give the new employer Part 2 & 3 so they know your pay & tax to date and hopefully continue to tax you correctly and you don't end up under or overpaid on tax.

New employer keeps Part 2 and sends Part 3 to HMRC so they know where your new employment is and can transfer your records to the correct new tax office
 
#6
I'll ask the Mrs. She's HR, never did payroll but she may know what the employers obligations are with P45's.

Edit: I see Rogers already answered.
 
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She doesn't actually need one - she should have her pay slips to prove employment (if she is asked) and when she gets her next job just explain to the employer that she didn't get her P45 and they will write off to HMRC and for the first month pay tax based on a generic tax rate which would then get adjusted in the 2nd month - there is a name for the form they write off for but I can't remember what the damn thing is called.

It's not a big deal but she's probably panicking over it.
 
#8
It doesn't really matter, if she starts a new job the new employer can sort it from their end, it just means she may pay emergency tax while the new employer clarifies her correct tax code.

Edited as someone beat me to it
 
#9
I'll ask the Mrs. She's HR, never did payroll but she may know what the employers obligations are with P45's.

Edit: I see Rogers already answered.
I used to work for the Inland Revenue, but then mum and dad got married so I had to leave

I'm pretty sure the employer can be done for failing to operate PAYE correctly if they fail to issue a P45. They have duty to operate your tax code correctly and demonstrate that they have done so. Issuing a P45 when you leave is part of that.

Chase them again. If she has started a new job without a P45 the new employer should give her a P46 to complete. This is an application for the HMRC to supply a tax code. editted to add - I was writing this when Deleted 20555 posted. The P46 is the form Deleted 20555 forgot the name of

Once new employer gets that then they can tax her correctly up to 5th April when the tax year ends. However it wont take account of her Tesco earnings and any allowances that lay unused between jobs so she would have to wait until 6th April 2012 and then apply to the new employer's tax office for a refund of any tax overpaid

They will collate details of all employments from 06/04/11 to 05/04/12 and work out if she is due anything back.

If she does not work again before the end of the year write to the tax office that deals with Tesco and claim any repayment from them

Even if you don't get a P45 from Tesco then they legally still have to give you a P60 after 5th April 2012 showing all earning with them in the tax year. The P60 will detail the relevant HMRC office top claim from
 
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She doesn't actually need one - she should have her pay slips to prove employment (if she is asked) and when she gets her next job just explain to the employer that she didn't get her P45 and they will write off to HMRC and for the first month pay tax based on a generic tax rate which would then get adjusted in the 2nd month - there is a name for the form they write off for but I can't remember what the damn thing is called.

It's not a big deal but she's probably panicking over it.
That's a good point - One point I was doing some self employed work as well as paid regular, I had my P45, but never gave it in to any compnay, it just meant I was paying basic rate tax for a few months and then it lowered the tax I paid on my self employed work.
Should Miss Fang start with another company in Jan 2012, she'd then just work paying basic rate tax until April and (maybe as late as August) then get a tax rebate. Mainly because she as she worked she would have her yearly allowance split in to equal months to balance out her pay (Roger should agree HMRC like to make an eefort in getting things right). So for Jan-March, she wouldn't have had her £550per month (roughly) without paying tax. Worth about £275-£325 in the rebate department as long as she earnt over £7,600 per year.
 

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Thanks, will pass on all these, it's not so much about another job as she has one but about getting her tax back as she was only 17.
Apparantly it is HMRC they say she needs to get P45 from Tesco before she can get it back.
 
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Of course - if it were a small employer one might try phoning HMRC and suggesting that they were taking money off employees but keeping them off the books and underpaying their company PAYE contributions. When HMRC start sniffing around their company records you'd probably discover they got keener about keeping stuff up to date.
 
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Thanks, will pass on all these, it's not so much about another job as she has one but about getting her tax back as she was only 17.
Apparantly it is HMRC they say she needs to get P45 from Tesco before she can get it back.

Age has nowt to do with tax liability. except maybe for pensioners who get a higher tax allowance. It took me ages to persuade my FiL of this when he got to 65. He believed the urban myth that you didn't pay tax when you retired. He was wrong, the only thing that stops at 65 is NI contributions

Once you earn* more than your allowances you pay tax on the excess whether you are 17 weeks, 17 months, 17 years or 117 years old.

*earn means any taxable income - Schedule A (income from property), Sch D - self employment, Sch E - Employment (PAYE), capital gains etc....... it all counts

as ex donkey man says for those on PAYE your allowances are drip fed over the year
 

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Age has nowt to do with tax liability. except maybe for pensioners who get a higher tax allowance. It took me ages to persuade my FiL of this when he got to 65. He believed the urban myth that you didn't pay tax when you retired. He was wrong, the only thing that stops at 65 is NI contributions

Once you earn* more than your allowances you pay tax on the excess whether you are 17 weeks, 17 months, 17 years or 117 years old.

*earn means any taxable income - Schedule A (income from property), Sch D - self employment, Sch E - Employment (PAYE), capital gains etc....... it all counts

as ex donkey man says for those on PAYE your allowances are drip fed over the year
She hasn't earned enough to reach threshold so shouldn't have been paid it, therefore to get rebate she requires P45. It's only about £95 or so, not a huge amount in terms of rebates but enough when you're her age.
 
#17
I am a privatdetektiv by profession and i would like to suggest you one way for it. You can get the help of any employee who was working with your girl and then you can go to police and say them that company had told me to renew the contract and they are not doing it and i am having eye witness for it and then present that person as a eye witness That's it.
that is incomrehensible gibberish.
 
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I am a privatdetektiv by profession and i would like to suggest you one way for it. You can get the help of any employee who was working with your girl and then you can go to police and say them that company had told me to renew the contract and they are not doing it and i am having eye witness for it and then present that person as a eye witness That's it.
You are a spasticated ****.
 
#19
My 17 year ols daughter worked briefly for Tesco's 12 weeks or so, as long as her contract was for. They didn't renew her contract as that department was overstaffed.
She has been trying to get her P45 from them for some time. She was promised it on several occasions, has written a letter or two to the management in the store but these have not even been acknowledged.
Any ideas where to go next?
I suggest that she makes a personal visit to her local tax office. Tell the tax office all the circumstances and request them to put through a request for repayment of the tax. If she has the phone number and the name of the payroll person at the tesco store, the Tax Officer may be kind enough to phone him or her up and ask them to send the information direct to the tax office.
 
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I suggest that she makes a personal visit to her local tax office. Tell the tax office all the circumstances and request them to put through a request for repayment of the tax. If she has the phone number and the name of the payroll person at the tesco store, the Tax Officer may be kind enough to phone him or her up and ask them to send the information direct to the tax office.
It's worth a go but HMRC may take the view that its not their job to chase round after "in year" issues preferring to wait till Tesco lodge their return of every employees pay, tax and benefits in kind after April 5th. If you have her last pay slip then the details should match what ought to be shown on a P45 when it finally gets issued. At least give those figures to HMRC and they may be willing to get Tesco to confirm them.

Alternatively write to Tesco Head Office yourself using recorded delivery and ask them to issue a P45 and/or confirm the numbers on her final payslip represent a true record of her total pay up to the point she left.

Strictly the issue is between your daughter and Tesco at present. Tesco are the ones being awkward in this.

re your response to me earlier. What tax code is being shown on her payslips? Was she being given any allowance at all or is the code "BR" indicating she was being taxed on everything?
 
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