P Company or All Arms Commando?

#2
Well....why don't you look what the courses entail. Then make a decision on what you feel would be easier.
 
#3
I can't speak about P Coy as I didn't do it, but I did AACC (back in the midsts of time, when Moses was a boy in the bullrushes...yadda yadda yadda). It's hard work and the chop rate is phenomenal: less than 20% of my AACC course got through it without injury (and I wasn't one of the 20%) and less than 50% of the course passed.

Notice that you've posted in Prof Qual: are you a QA? If so don't do what one of the medical lads did on my course and moaned during test week that he shouldn't be carrying a weapon. For his troubles he got to carry the section weapon for longer than he should have done on the final test.

Key take aways I'd recommend thinking about, therefore, are:

1. Hard work - mainly physically, but also mentally (motivation, etc)

2. Lots of lessons from initial training come back - e.g., two ears, one mouth, use in proportion

3. Expect to get injured
 

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#4
Mentalist said:
Notice that you've posted in Prof Qual: are you a QA? If so don't do what one of the medical lads did on my course and moaned during test week that he shouldn't be carrying a weapon. For his troubles he got to carry the section weapon for longer than he should have done on the final test.
I know of a padre who tried the same trick, he was given a shepherds crook that weighed heavier than a rifle, best to keep your mouth shut or you will suffer. 8O
A doctor on my course carried a rifle, without a problem. He did though, as he was RN, grow a full set, oh how we laughed when he was in the gas chamber.
 
#5
Most will be lost from AACC due to injury. If you miss more than 24 hours training then you are RTU'd. My injury only required 4 - 5 days rest, and if I'd been a Nod or YO I'd've been fine, but there's no messing around on AACC. The biggest reason for chopping on my course was a dose of D&V that was doing the rounds of the camp!
 
#8
Why not do both if you're unsure, P Company was hideous but apparently AACC is pretty buck shea, depends on what bde you want to go to, if you want to go to 16 then its P company, what cap badge are you?
 
#9
fdj12 said:
fltpilot said:
I'm down to do the All Arms Storemans Course, is that hard? 8O
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding, it takes alot to stack blankets correctly.
I think that you'll find that the kudos comes from the All Arms Advanced Drill Instructors Course, and you don't even get a badge..... those that know....know! :D
 
#10
Touch_it said:
fdj12 said:
fltpilot said:
I'm down to do the All Arms Storemans Course, is that hard? 8O
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding, it takes alot to stack blankets correctly.
I think that you'll find that the kudos comes from the All Arms Advanced Drill Instructors Course, and you don't even get a badge..... those that know....know! :D
Ah "The drill course" tried it myself once but was confused on English to Metric see :oops: too old fashioned i suppose :(
 
#13
AACC is also reputed to be hard although no AGC females have passed P Coy :)
Maybe so (without actually doing test week or the load carry correctly) but many, many more AGC birds and fat clerks do get to wear the Maroon beret.

You'll get lots more sleep on P Coy and better nights out in Plymouth than Colchester.

In truth both are very hard and require slightly different strengths; the AACC needs good upperbody strength and endurance plus your admin in the field needs to be pretty good. P Coy is a bit more about running/tabbing. The med roles in 3 Bde are certainly varied and interesting with any RN medic that passes working directly (as a CMT) with a Cdo, I don't know if the same opportunities would exist for an Army medic. Why not do both over time?
 
#14
Is it true that the recent biggest airborne assualt in over 57 years in Afghanistan did not involve the PARAs and that is was the Welsh Guards? If its true its gotta smart a little! Whats happening with PARA Pay? or should it be called AIRMOBILE pay?
 
#15
Is it true that the recent biggest airborne assualt in over 57 years in Afghanistan did not involve the PARAs and that is was the Welsh Guards? If its true its gotta smart a little! Whats happening with PARA Pay? or should it be called AIRMOBILE pay?
If you ask that question I would stay well clear of P Company you`re obviously a commodo candidate. Good luck with that.
 
#16
If you ask that question I would stay well clear of P Company you`re obviously a commodo candidate. Good luck with that.
ooooooooooooooooh do I detect a hint of thumb sucking... I take it your an airborne ranger, living the life of sex and danger or maybe RAF Regt?

Thanks for the advice on which direction to take though!
 
#17
If you ask that question I would stay well clear of P Company you`re obviously a commodo candidate. Good luck with that.
I know Pathfinders are an all arms group, but surely being in the paras puts you in good stead for it?

ooooooooooooooooh do I detect a hint of thumb sucking... I take it your an airborne ranger, living the life of sex and danger or maybe RAF Regt?

Thanks for the advice on which direction to take though!
I think he means people try asking about the reason behind a parachute regiment when airbourne forces havnt been used for a while.

Also, RAF regiment were actually the last unit to do a proper drop, in Sierra leone, so i wouldnt bother trying to use there name in that argument.
 
#18
Firthy don't knock the all arms comodo course...those guys are hard core...



Both are hard yakka but different requirements. I know people who have passed one and failed the other. I know somebody who passed TA selection and did 3 years in the FFL but failed the AACC...mentally and physically you have to be right. I ate my own weight in "Army Smarties" on the AACC just to get up in the morning! Three months later my medial ligament went "bedoing" doing some light pre-season rugby training. It had probably just been biding its time since CTC.

Personally i think age has a lot to do with it. I know I wouldn't have passed AACC at 18/19 but I did pass P Coy then. I was 24 when I did AACC and a completely different physical type due to more gym work, bulking out etc. Finally the guy who commented on the different emphasis on tactical versus physical between AACC and P Coy is quite right.
 
#19
do fecking both of them

If you're game you can end up doing interesting jobs in either sphere (which TBH is exactly the same at the minute)

Although you can jump out of 'planes once you've got your green hat without having to run around some more

FCuk maroon or green, you've got the best job in the mob (sporting a red cross) live it up
 
#20
I've done both and I always get asked which is harder. The answer is depends what you are worst at.

AAAC is about be a good soldier under very demanding circumstances.

P Coy is all about the phys and little else - Although the phys is very very fast albeit with much less weight.

Both are hard, both are awesome to do and they open up opportunities.

I massively prefer(ed) working with 3 Cdo Bde and much prefer booties over Paras (especially attached arms Para trained). However its done to each individual.

I suggest doing the fam course for both and then deciding.
 

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