P company and AACC

#1
hie people i was wondering if you could help me. i am very much interested in doing either of the course above as a personal challenge and professional development. Does doing either of these courses have a direct impact on promotion prospect. i just want to know if i can kill two birds with one stone. i also understand by doing either i will improve my posting preferences. hope i dont sound too egotistical so take it easy on me and if u got personal issues regarding either two of the courses please dont waste ur time and mine
 
#3
Well, as for promotion I would say no. As for postings, well if you were to complete P company you would be directed towards 16 air maybe! as for the AACC not sure what the army medical holdings are with 3 Commando Brigade. Depends what trade you are.

Professional development is not really the motivation you want behind you to get a different coloured "hat". Personnally you have much to gain and respect to be earned but not without a lot of blood sweat and tears.

Incidentally the two courses are very different. The common theme being the ability to cut around the countryside carrying heavy weights. Different approaches to the same end. Fit highly motivated soldiers who can carry out their already difficult task in possibly more demanding conditions.

At the very least you will get a nodding respect from anyone else who has a badge on his arm.

Important to remember that if you do go that bit further that not everyone you leave behind is a fat lazy wonker (just most of em' :wink: )
 
#4
Hello gibson097,

Do you know any more about All Arms P-Coy? I am looking for detailed information, e.g. do you get messed about a lot, do you get the weekends off, is sleep deprivation part of the training experience, etc.

Any ideas where I can get that information?

JB
 
#6
julietbravo said:
Hello gibson097,

Do you know any more about All Arms P-Coy? I am looking for detailed information, e.g. do you get messed about a lot, do you get the weekends off, is sleep deprivation part of the training experience, etc.

Any ideas where I can get that information?

JB
If you want weekends off join the Dutch army :lol:
 
#8
dui-lai said:
Bloody hell, this is getting a bit military as of late :wink:

Suppose it makes a change from humping QAs and bitching about them
Don'y worry we will soon return to form D-L
 
#9
gibson i am already in a satisfactory profession and quite high up however i would like to challenge myself physically and mentally as well therefore i am looking at the special training. the only difference being its not like a one off marathon its actually something that the army will recognise for the rest of my career hence killing two birds with one stone. i have heard of the airborne and commandos attitude to "hats" fear not my brother i am not doing it to gain respect or wear a different colour beret i just want to do a physically arduous course thats considered one on the most difficult in the world so i can stand proud and say "i am not a ******* hat no more"
 
#11
julietbravo said:
Hello gibson097,

Do you know any more about All Arms P-Coy? I am looking for detailed information, e.g. do you get messed about a lot, do you get the weekends off, is sleep deprivation part of the training experience, etc.

Any ideas where I can get that information?

JB
errrrr, I dont know what to say,? I would of course put weekends off at the top of my worry list were I to be re-attending P company.

I dont think your quite grasping the principle here. It is a course designed to provide a set of standards that are suitable for soldiers who volunteer to serve with airborne i.e. parachute forces. It is by its nature hard work. You are out to meet the criteria and demonstrate your fitness stamina agression and fighting spirit. If you look around you and spot any soldiers with parachute wings on their arms chances are they have attended and passed P company. Ask them !



Curtis. I must of miss read you. Yes awards are recognised and are either respected or despised depending who you are talking to. As for self gratification. yep if your up for a challenge then go for it.

Im not sure on this but I think if you volunteer or contact P company (up in catterick these days ?) or CTCRM Lympstone they can furnish you with a training programme to help you on your way. Incidentally if your just up for the badges :) Go for your Commando course as I think approximatly a third of the commandos are para trained and get two badges for the price of one !!

I wouldnt like to say which is the harder, horses for courses !
 
#12
could always go special duties, no badges (although passing selection used to allow you to skip P Coy and go straight to jumps) but you do get to wear civvies all day, grow your hair, get wedges of extra pay, have a goatie, large it over paras and booties and be regarded as geeks and walters by the SAS.
 
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#13
Filbert Fox said:
could always go special duties, no badges (although passing selection used to allow you to skip P Coy and go straight to jumps) but you do get to wear civvies all day, grow your hair, get wedges of extra pay, have a goatie, large it over paras and booties and be regarded as geeks and walters by the SAS.
It also entitles you to drink lots of beer, call officers 'mate', eat pasties in your car and wear Hi-Tec trail boots. What more could you want?
 
#14
A black NorthFace puffer jacket?
 
#15
chickenpunk said:
Filbert Fox said:
could always go special duties, no badges (although passing selection used to allow you to skip P Coy and go straight to jumps) but you do get to wear civvies all day, grow your hair, get wedges of extra pay, have a goatie, large it over paras and booties and be regarded as geeks and walters by the SAS.
It also entitles you to drink lots of beer, call officers 'mate', eat pasties in your car and wear Hi-Tec trail boots. What more could you want?
Women sitting on your face perhaps :wink:

Not QAs of course, you'd suffocate
 
#16
julietbravo said:
Hello gibson097,

Do you know any more about All Arms P-Coy? I am looking for detailed information, e.g. do you get messed about a lot, do you get the weekends off, is sleep deprivation part of the training experience, etc.

Any ideas where I can get that information?

JB
The question here is why do you want to do it? Do you want to get some wings and walk around with a 'I done this' attitude or is your heart in it. I am not criticising but I have seen so many go for it purely on the glamour side. They fail. The intention should be to want it, to pass, qualify and serve in the airborne role. Not much point if the army train you up in the role and you venture off to some sleepy hollow. If you are already asking about weekends off then is the motivation there? After all this is the army and if you find a job with secured weekends off, let me know, I could do with a similar job. Sleep deprivation? Well of course, it's not necessarily an intentional part of the training but you will be more knackered then you probably will have been in your army career. You will wake up in the morning, tired beyond what you have known with the knowledge that the day holds the same physical demand as yesterday. Messed about.....NO........professionally trained to be airborne and beasted to see if you are capable........YES
 
#17
Now why can't I have written it like that ;)
 
#19
all spelt rite and everythin.
 
#20
Both hard courses, require physical fitness and determination. How do they affect promotion? No Idea.
All Arms Course teaches you more than P Company, more field skills, climbing, use of small boats, landing craft and helo's, you wont find that in P Coy.

Employment for the AMS in a commando is limited, you will find CMT Posts in 59 Cod RE soon to become a Regiment. 29 Cdo RA and Commando Logistics. Also an Infantry Bn is likely to be re roled as a 4th Commando Battle Group for 3 Cdo Brigade so more vacancies opening up (Warship and Fleet review interview with 1st Sea Lord) all the time. Most Cdo Medics are still RN MA's though. Good thing for CMT is no Doris is going to spoil her hair do by completing the courses so CMT's will continue to rule that particular roost.

If its simple paper facts this might help.

Cdo Course
Tarzan Course (High Rope Course) - 5 Min
Tarzan Course and Assault Course together 35lb kit and rifle 13 Mins
Endurance Course 35lb kit and rifle 3 Mile and 4 Mile run 73 Mins
9 Mile Speed March 60 Mins 35lb kit and rifle with a shoot at the end.
30 Foot Rope Climb in kit with 35lb kit and rifle
30 Mile Speed March in kit over Dartmoor 8 Hours
Battle Swim Test (dive in poole with kit, swim 50m, tread water 2 min, remove kit tread water 2 more mins)
2 Exercises

P Coy
Steeple Chase 17.5min No kit withhelmets
Log Race 2.8Km 12-14 min No kit with helmets
milling (hitting each other not boxing)
16Km Speed March 22kg kit 1 hour 45 Min with kit and weapon
Confidence Course (bit like Tarzan course but scaffolding instead of ropes)
Assault Course 7 Mins
28 Km Endurance March 22Kg Kit 4 Hours
15 Km March over Pen-y-Fan 2 Hours
10 Km Speed March 1 Hour 6 Mins
strecher Race 12Km 1 Hour 20 Mins

But these are just "Paper" figures. They give no idea of how difficult each event is individually let alone when done day in day out during test weeks. How difficult it is to stay motivated with voices inside telling you to "give up its not worth it" or to put up with injuries.

Whichis harder? its a question as old as the Paras and Commando's themselves. The only unit which requires pasing both Para and Commando course is 148 FO Battery RA in Poole, ask them I think you will find 50% say Cdo and 50% say Para.

Hope this helps
James
 

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